Comments Thread For: Ostarine, Contamination and Intent: Where Does the Ryan Garcia Case Stand?

[macmike100]

Lotta judges out there. Let's let the facts tumble out. As sincerely as Ryan swears he's innocent, I would wait to judge. I find that a set up drink is feasible because he tested fine up to fight night. Plus his hair and nails proved negative. Also, a very low amount was detected. He has been a clean and tested fighter. This could point to a drink that was contaminated somehow. Which wouldn't be his fault if he ingested it unknowingly. Let's wait and see.

[champion4ever]

Lotta judges out there. Let's let the facts tumble out. As sincerely as Ryan swears he's innocent, I would wait to judge. I find that a set up drink is feasible because he tested fine up to fight night. Plus his hair and nails proved negative. Also, a very low amount was detected. He has been a clean and tested fighter. This could point to a drink that was contaminated somehow. Which wouldn't be his fault if he ingested it unknowingly. Let's wait and see.

It’s because Ostarine is very rare and very hard to find. So I am not buying into the cross contamination theory.

Saying that he ingested it from a dietary supplement drink is damn near next to impossible. Both the manufacture, distribution and sell of it are prohibited in the U.S.

Which means you will never find this substance on the shelves or purchase it over the counter or on the open market because it’s illegal.

Ryan knows that he willingly took this substance and he also knows how and where he got it. He thought he was being smart.

He thought he could circumvent VADA. Even after agreeing to their random testing protocol but he was wrong. He got busted instead.

[smith3536]

""The US Anti-Doping Agency’s (USADA) Supplement 411 resource lists over 200 supplements that contain SARMs; 98 that specifically contain Ostarine; and nine that specifically contain S-23. In 2017, USADA issued a warning about Ostarine in supplements that it updated in 2019. This specified that there are 72 products on USADA’s High Risk List that contain Ostarine, including 19 where it isn’t declared on the label.""

Source:
https://www.sportsintegrityinitiativ...contamination/

[QballLobo]

It’s clear what happened. Ryan was drinking and partying during camp and wasn’t going to make weight.
Late in camp he took shortcuts and Osterine is often used to cut weight in a short time but is banned due to its side effects. He got sloppy and it still didn’t work which is why he came in heavy and paid the fine.

[IronDanHamza]

It’s because Ostarine is very rare and very hard to find. So I am not buying into the cross contamination theory.

Saying that he ingested it from a dietary supplement drink is damn near next to impossible. Both the manufacture, distribution and sell of it are prohibited in the U.S.

Which means you will never find this substance on the shelves or purchase it over the counter or on the open market because it’s illegal.

Ryan knows that he willingly took this substance and he also knows how and where he got it. He thought he was being smart.

He thought he could circumvent VADA. Even after agreeing to their random testing protocol but he was wrong. He got busted instead.

I don't disagree with your sentiment.

But the bolded is totally untrue, in fact quite the opposite.

[Smash]

""The US Anti-Doping Agency’s (USADA) Supplement 411 resource lists over 200 supplements that contain SARMs; 98 that specifically contain Ostarine; and nine that specifically contain S-23. In 2017, USADA issued a warning about Ostarine in supplements that it updated in 2019. This specified that there are 72 products on USADA’s High Risk List that contain Ostarine, including 19 where it isn’t declared on the label.""

Source:
https://www.sportsintegrityinitiativ...contamination/

with all this info out there and 19 that contain ostarine not shown on the label, u would be a fool just to start consuming random supplements like ryan claims he did, or cheating of course, so which is it, a fool or a cheat, or possibly both?

[IronDanHamza]

with all this info out there and 19 that contain ostarine not shown on the label, u would be a fool just to start consuming random supplements like ryan claims he did, or cheating of course, so which is it, a fool or a cheat, or possibly both?

Precisely.

Especially considering most of these supplements are shit.

The one's that aren't shit, are not necessary for opitmal performance.

I said this in another thread, the risk/reward ratio is staggering.

[IronDanHamza]

It’s clear what happened. Ryan was drinking and partying during camp and wasn’t going to make weight.
Late in camp he took shortcuts and Osterine is often used to cut weight in a short time but is banned due to its side effects. He got sloppy and it still didn’t work which is why he came in heavy and paid the fine.

That's possible.

But I'm wondering why he'd take Ostarine in that scenario when there are much better PED's with built in excuses such as Clenbuterol as the glaring example.

Doesn't make all that much sense to take Ostarine there, but, it's possible

[Smash]

Precisely.

Especially considering most of these supplements are shit.

The one's that aren't shit, are not necessary for opitmal performance.

I said this in another thread, the risk/reward ratio is staggering.

There is so much talk now in boxing over years and years & other sports about contaminated supplements literally all the time and athletes getting busted and blaming them, all athletes know the risk and their advisors, they cant claim ignorance on this topic

Now there are certified supplements out there that claim to be tested and ped free, surely they would be much much safer to use if u want to go that route, thats only common sense i would have thought

There are many many boxers athletes out there that manage all this and dont get busted so its not mission impossible, if u pop there is always going to be su****ion that u were cheating & imo u quite likely were cheating as well, more likely than not anyway

[champion4ever]

I don't disagree with your sentiment.

But the bolded is totally untrue, in fact quite the opposite.

Can you name me at least one dietary supplement that contained a cross contamination of Ostarine in it? I can’t think of one.

However, as far as Steroids are concerned; Sure there have been many cases of dietary supplements which have had trace amounts of steroids in them.

Do you know why? It’s because steroids are legal in the U.S. but Ostarine is not.

Steroids are both manufactured, distributed and sold on the open market to different pharmaceutical companies.

However, Ostarine is not. You have to look for it in order to find it because it’s availability on the open market is non- existent.