The likely outcome of Ryan Garcia's PED case

[Willie Pep 229]

It matters entirely.

If the decision gets changed then Garcia no longer has a win over Haney.

Yes he does. I saw it. Who is keeping score?

[IronDanHamza]

Yes he does. I saw it. Who is keeping score?

You saw a fight that was a no contest, yes (If it gets changed to that)

His official record will be the "score" in that scenario. Whereby he doesn't have a win over Haney.

[Willie Pep 229]

You saw a fight that was a no contest, yes (If it gets changed to that)

His official record will be the "score" in that scenario. Whereby he doesn't have a win over Haney.

The way I see it you guys are concerned with posterity and principle. You want a NC or a DQ because you want the record to reflect that Garcia cheated.

I am saying, come their next negotiation, as they will battle to add "0s" to their paychecks, Haney will be negotiating, 'coming off a loss,' no matter what Boxrec says.

Garcia is revitalized, no matter what Boxrec says.

Boxrec, nor any commission, is going to change that reality.

So go ahead I guess make the point. Posterity will thank you.

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah about that, I predict 6 months backdated.

Probably gets a huge fight straight away as well.

Its always backdated isn't it lol. They dont suspend you 6mos from the date they decide to suspend you.

Maybe. Ryan is either depressed & don't wanna fight at all or saying crazy ass sh^t & wants to fight everyone. Hes probably bipolar.

[Eff Pandas]

I think almost guaranteed to be changed to an NC.

Could possibly be a DQ loss, like Lucian Bute got vs Badou Jack, where, coincidentally, Bute a failed test for the same drug; Ostarine.

I think the chances of it staying a W for Garcia is next to nil.

Agree its unlikely to stay a W. A NC is pretty standard.

Idk about flipping the result tho like they are trying to do.

[smith3536]

Win or lose, now everyone knows Haney has a glass chin. And other fighters will certainly take advantage of this weakness. Everyone saw what happened. If Haney wants to go to 147 and fight others who are the same size he will end up getting knocked out.

Haney will end up like Broner if he doesn't choose the right person to fight.

[IronDanHamza]

The way I see it you guys are concerned with posterity and principle. You want a NC or a DQ because you want the record to reflect that Garcia cheated.

I am saying, come their next negotiation, as they will battle to add "0s" to their paychecks, Haney will be negotiating, 'coming off a loss,' no matter what Boxrec says.

Garcia is revitalized, no matter what Boxrec says.

Boxrec, nor any commission, is going to change that reality.

So go ahead I guess make the point. Posterity will thank you.

I mean, I think your idea of "reality" is slightly warped. What happened in the fight doesn't matter anymore, because the fight will have been deemed a No Contest by the commission. Meaning Garcia does not have a win over Haney, that's the reality of the situation (if that happens)

You can pretend that reality doesn't exist if you really want to, that's up to you.

[IronDanHamza]

Agree its unlikely to stay a W. A NC is pretty standard.

Idk about flipping the result tho like they are trying to do.

It can happen, Bute vs Badou Jack got changed to a DQ loss as I previously mentioned.

[IronDanHamza]

Win or lose, now everyone knows Haney has a glass chin. And other fighters will certainly take advantage of this weakness. Everyone saw what happened. If Haney wants to go to 147 and fight others who are the same size he will end up getting knocked out.

Haney will end up like Broner if he doesn't choose the right person to fight.

People knew that when Linares had him out on his feet for an entire round.

I don't think he was known for having an iron chin.

[Willie Pep 229]

I mean, I think your idea of "reality" is slightly warped. What happened in the fight doesn't matter anymore, because the fight will have been deemed a No Contest by the commission. Meaning Garcia does not have a win over Haney, that's the reality of the situation (if that happens)

You can pretend that reality doesn't exist if you really want to, that's up to you.

So reality to you is, what is written, by other men, and not what you experience with your own senses?

Many saw Garcia win. That will be a fact at the next negotiation. The NC will merely be a factoid.