The likely outcome of Ryan Garcia's PED case

[Eff Pandas]

It can happen, Bute vs Badou Jack got changed to a DQ loss as I previously mentioned.

It has happened sure. I don't see it happening here. NY is a serious commission. Probably too serious. I don't see them reacting the same way a DC commission did.

[IronDanHamza]

So reality to you is, what is written, by other men, and not what you experience with your own senses?

Many saw Garcia win. That will be a fact at the next negotiation. The NC will merely be a factoid.

Many saw Garcia win....outside of the rules. Hence why it would be changed to a NC, meaning, he factually doesn't have a win over him.

That's the literal, objective reality of the situation.

[PerfectJab]

It has happened sure. I don't see it happening here. NY is a serious commission. Probably too serious. I don't see them reacting the same way a DC commission did.

What I see is that most people don't seem to know what kind of bans are handed out for testing positive for ostarine...
Unless there is plain corruption, the ruling could be very severe.
60x over the limit, when the limit is 0.1ng/ml
Amir Khan was banned for 2 years for testing 0.5ng/ml
People have been banned for 2-4 years (in non-combat sports) for ostarine.
That private hair follicle test, cannot be used to counter the urine test (it even says so on companies websites) and for a lot of reasons, that ostarine cannot be detected in hair follicles not even being the main reason....

Claiming contamination by just dumping some supplement bottles in front of the commission isn't how it works and as easy as some people seem to think.
Then there are Garcia's reactions on social media, laughing it off claiming he loves steroids etc etc. Unprecedented, that will likely not do him any favors.

We'll see how it plays out but if the commission is indeed serious, many people could be shocked by the ruling.

[Eff Pandas]

What I see is that most people don't seem to know what kind of bans are handed out for testing positive for ostarine...
Unless there is plain corruption, the ruling could be very severe.
60x over the limit, when the limit is 0.1ng/ml
Amir Khan was banned for 2 years for testing 0.5ng/ml
People have been banned for 2-4 years (in non-combat sports) for ostarine.
That private hair follicle test, cannot be used to counter the urine test (it even says so on companies websites) and for a lot of reasons, that ostarine cannot be detected in hair follicles not even being the main reason....

Claiming contamination by just dumping some supplement bottles in front of the commission isn't how it works and as easy as some people seem to think.
Then there are Garcia's reactions on social media, laughing it off claiming he loves steroids etc etc. Unprecedented, that will likely not do him any favors.

We'll see how it plays out but if the commission is indeed serious, many people could be shocked by the ruling.

Other sports got more severe takes on PED usage. The UK seems to have a more severe take on PED usage. I think the only time I've heard of a lifetime PED suspension in boxing was a UK situation.

The US commissions are all over the fooking place is the thing you are underrated. There is no universal stance & not unlike the US legal system you can buy "justice" or just got favorable treatment if are a draw/ppv guy history has shown. For those reasons I think no punishment is more in play than 2-4yrs.

[IronDanHamza]

What I see is that most people don't seem to know what kind of bans are handed out for testing positive for ostarine...
Unless there is plain corruption, the ruling could be very severe.
60x over the limit, when the limit is 0.1ng/ml
Amir Khan was banned for 2 years for testing 0.5ng/ml
People have been banned for 2-4 years (in non-combat sports) for ostarine.
That private hair follicle test, cannot be used to counter the urine test (it even says so on companies websites) and for a lot of reasons, that ostarine cannot be detected in hair follicles not even being the main reason....

Claiming contamination by just dumping some supplement bottles in front of the commission isn't how it works and as easy as some people seem to think.
Then there are Garcia's reactions on social media, laughing it off claiming he loves steroids etc etc. Unprecedented, that will likely not do him any favors.

We'll see how it plays out but if the commission is indeed serious, many people could be shocked by the ruling.

Ehhh, what you're saying here is not really true.

Take a look at Povektin's case as an immediate example, he got popped for Osterine, which was his second offense for PED's, what punishment did he get? Essentially nothing but a fine.

On what basis? Contamination.

Let's look at Lucian Bute, who tested positive for Ostarine. What punishment did he get? A fine a 6 month backdated ban.

On what basis? Contamination.

Amir Khan's case needs to use context, he was already retired at that point he got the ban. If he wasn't, you can bet he would not have got a 2 year ban. More than likely a 6 month one.

Look at Dillian Whyte's case, he got popped for Dbol. A potent PED, in comparison to Ostarine. What punishment did he get? He didn't even get one.

On what basis? Contamination.

There's a running theme when fighters fail drug tests, and there tends to be one when they hand out punishments too. To say that "isn't how it works" in regards to claiming contamination is actually quite the opposite. It's very loose, for a lack of a better term.

Look at every case above, look at Canelo's defence, which was essentially "I ate meat, I promise you, here's me at a steakhouse with no actual way to prove I even ate meat there" and they concluded from that that is was contamination and he got a 6 month ban, for Clen, which is way more potent than Ostarine.

So if you're expecting Garcia to get some massive ban for this, I think you could be surprised with the outcome.

[Smash]

60x over the limit, when the limit is 0.1ng/ml
Amir Khan was banned for 2 years for testing 0.5ng/ml
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apparently tho according to youtube guy derek this is still well well short of being an effective level for getting any benefit from it performance wise

amir get a large ban for a very small amount over it seems to me

but then again hes retired and didnt challenge it and said he might have shook hands with the wrong guy lol

funny stuff

[IronDanHamza]

apparently tho according to youtube guy derek this is still well well short of being an effective level for getting any benefit from it performance wise

amir get a large ban for a very small amount over it seems to me

but then again hes retired and didnt challenge it and said he might have shook hands with the wrong guy lol

funny stuff

Amir Khan had no reason to challenge that, he was retired. And the BBBoC/UKAD had a literal perfect opportunity to look stern with no get back on it.

Khan is wealthy, you can guarantee if this was the middle of this career he would have thrown millions of pounds at it and got the best legal defence possible and there's almost no chance he'd have got a 2 year ban. Context has to be used on that one.

[Smash]

the all need to talk to dillion whyte on how to avoid sanctions with peds

i mean hes beaten the rap in different jurisdictions as well, the last one being texas, tho im not sure what state the texas commission is in (not a joke its in texas i know that) & how the hell that all went down, devious dillion did it again, hes incredible

[IronDanHamza]

6 months out then

Was to be expected. I'm assuming more clarity on the reason he was only given a 1 year ban will be offered.