Also going to mention that the whole reason P4P exists is to put a little more respect on the lower weight divisions. Everyone knows that if Usyk fought Bud or Inoue that it would be a massacre. The point is to credit skills outside of being in the heavyweight division. That's part of why I have a hard time putting Usyk on top. YMMV, but that particular fact hasn't been mentioned yet.
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Originally posted by 4truth View Post
these comparisons between fighters of vastly different sizes defy logic, imo. Usyk is twice Inoue's size, they can't move the same.
I mean, if Simone Biles were suddenly the size of Serena Williams, she'd break both her legs and probably her back performing her normal routine.
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With one on one fighting what else can pound for pound mean other than the imaginary fight between two guys if they weighed the same, literary the words in a nutshell, in that context I cant think of a HW that could match the ability of the lighter weight greats, and there are many reasons for that starting with the developing body and how it tunes itself through the growth stages, just as there are many reasons girls cant fight like boys and maybe it starts with boys throwing stones, but all the little details is what makes up the final package, if you cant see those details then how can you claim greatness.
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Originally posted by Smash View Post
thats a bit odd
before the car crash guy buds resume was often the butt of jokescrimsonfalcon07 likes this.
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Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
What makes you think bud beats inoue when it takes him 5 years to show he's no1 in his 3rd division.?
I think as boxers Bud has more to his game and would beat Inoue if they were in the same division, Im looking at the fighters not their achievements, but I wouldnt be surprised if Inoue won, there is not a lot between greats just milliseconds, I just think Bud is a bit better in the silk department.
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I have to say Usyk after what he did. It was a monumental task, to beat a guy with such a huge height, reach and weight advantage. A guy known for using his size to bully you and get away with rough tactics, but also very fast, skilled and light on his feet.
You can't go wrong with any of those 3 though. Bud, Usyk, Inoue all doing amazing things right now and I'm just happy we're getting the fights we deserve as fans. They all keep raising the bar. Inoue raised it with his performance against Fulton, Bud raised it with his performance against Spence, and Usyk raised it this weekend. I can't wait to see who dares to be even greater.
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Originally posted by moochi View PostBeing P4P , has to include activity. When you have three talented kings like the three mentioned, the one with most activity will be rated higher. So Crawford has to be 3.
Crawford:
1 fight scheduled in 2024 (so far, possibly fighting again in December)
1 fight in 2023
1 fight in 2022
1 fight in 2021
1 fight in 2020
2 fights in 2019
2 fights in 2018
Usyk:
1 fight in 2024 (so far, supposed to fight Fury again later this year)
1 fight in 2023
1 fight in 2022
1 fight in 2021
1 fight in 2020
1 fight in 2019
3 fights in 2018
Inoue:
1 fight in 2024 (so far, supposed to fight in August and December if all goes well)
2 fights in 2023
2 fights in 2022
2 fights in 2021
1 fight in 2020
2 fights in 2019
2 fights in 2018
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Depends what you like honestly, Inoue has been washing all bigger challengers for a while now, definitely the best to watch imo. I think Crawfish is still the most well rounded and skilled out of the lot but his lack of activity hurts him and Usyk has convincing beat his top rivals in Joshua and Fury who outweigh him by 40 pounds. All are the real deal. We are lucky to see them.
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Well Usyk is definately above Crawford because he is fighting much larger guys. Crawford has fully grown into welterweight, those guys are his size. Spence is basically his size.
Usyk is beating guys with 20-40 pounds on him.
I think he is above Inoue as well. I think the talent pool is lower in the very low divisions and also the divisions are only 3 pounds apart at times so its easy for them to run through multiple divisions down there.
Usyk's footwork, workrate and stamina are insane for a modern heavyweight. Can I say the same for Crawford and Inoue? I can say those two are good but I cant say that they are some of the very best of the last 20 years like I can say with Usyk.
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