ALOT of posters eating CROW tonight.

[Smash]

One judge had it a DRAW as did some commentators.

What did you pick ?

alas i didnt see crazy ryan being sharp enough to win, little did i know he was trolling and deliberately not making weight to give himself an advantage which he cried so much when tank did similar to him

[Idunnoshet]

alas i didnt see crazy ryan being sharp enough to win, little did i know he was trolling and deliberately not making weight to give himself an advantage which he cried so much when tank did similar to him

Check the post before yours for your answer.

[tomhawq]

You need to list names. I'm not one of those.

That's why you don't join bandwagon automatically, whether it includes veterans, top 10s, P4P. Their guess is as good/bad as yours. You rely on what you see, not what others see. I see and hear Porter and I thought what made this guy authority to everything? They were all wrong in their prediction didn't they?

To me it's not mostly about Garcia, it's about Haney. He didn't work his way the same way as Teo, Loma, etc. He's never ready for prime time other than Kamboso levels, retired guys like Gamboa, etc.

[Idunnoshet]

You need to list names. I'm not one of those.

That's why you don't join bandwagon automatically, whether it includes veterans, top 10s, P4P. Their guess is as good/bad as yours. You rely on what you see, not what others see. I see and hear Porter and I thought what made this guy authority to everything? They were all wrong in their prediction didn't they?

To me it's not mostly about Garcia, it's about Haney. He didn't work his way the same way as Teo, Loma, etc. He's never ready for prime time other than Kamboso levels, retired guys like Gamboa, etc.

List names ?

Im not gonna put people on the spot like that.

If you were one of them then you know it.

You want names.
Go check the Pick 'em.

[The Big Dunn]

I totally disagree with you on this one.

After Shakur's last performance not even Arum / Top Rank wanna work with him.

I would think he has to earn his shot by really beating a top guy.

Sorry bud. But IMHO Shakur's style is bad for boxing.

I think that was a reflection of the opponent. Shakur is still a highly regarded boxer.

If he leaves TR after he beats Loma he will make fights with guys who allow him to showcase his skill set.

[The Big Dunn]

Sounds like the official excuse

Garcia was the better fighter tonight

WTF are you talking about you pole smoking f-ckboy?

Ryan got full credit from me.

Stop jumping into conversations that don’t include you.

Go back to flossing with Manny’s pubic hair.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Ryan said he hasn't been able to get below 143, and that he's going to 147. After that performance, he might be able to get some big fights. I don't like dismissing good work or bad on the basis of one fight, and this one raises lots of questions. If Ryan can get a title shot at 147, I could see Bud fighting him because if he can continue to perform and develop these upsets, that's a big fight, especially if he fights and beats Ennis, although I'm staying on the "I'm doubtful he can beat elite guys" train until he solidly proves otherwise.

One thing that seems clear is that Haney doesn't have a chin and that he relies a lot on size advantage. I think everyone knew that if he hadn't been so much bigger that Loma would have beaten him clearly. I would like to see him fight more at 140/7 to really know how much he's been exposed.

[El_Mero]

He gets partial credit. He didn't make weight and regardless of the kds, it was a close fight.

[Idunnoshet]

I think that was a reflection of the opponent. Shakur is still a highly regarded boxer.

If he leaves TR after he beats Loma he will make fights with guys who allow him to showcase his skill set.

We'll agree to disagree on this one bud.

Although I respect Stevensons skills and admit he's probably one of the most skilled fighters in the sport.

I'm not gonna get suckered into watching another one of his fights.


Plus.
I put the blame on Both Shakur and DLS.

BOTH had equal fault in stinking up the joint.
But the difference is DLS wasn't being groomed for stardom.

[billeau2]

In the Prograis fight , Haney seemed to have incredible power or is it just me ?
Tonight that power was gone by the 4th round
I thought he would overpower Ryan and crow never tasted so good lol

I think your point is something to talk about. I think Haney does have power when he sits down on his punches. Think his big problem is when he goes into a mode that is too non-committal.

Part of it is the style. Safety first fighters they can get jacked by guys who pressure them into making mistakes.

Devin got scared if he sat down on his shots he would get tagged he was right lol.

Also with all this weight differential. However things were supposed to be Ryan appeared to be a lot bigger in this fight than Haney.