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  • Rate Canelo's resume.

    Not really a fan of Canelo's actions and contradictions, also now his fights he seem to perform monotonously as he handpicks beatable opposition and he tends to gas quickly, but where does his career measure up recalling his best wins, context about the conditions, controversy and stipulations also matters.

    Liam Smith (23-0-1)
    James Kirkland (32-1)
    Austin Trout (26-0)
    Shane Mosley (47-6-1)
    Miguel Cotto (40-4)
    Erislandy Lara (19-1-2)
    Gennady Golovkin X2 (38-0-1) (42-1-1)
    Daniel Jacobs (35-2)
    Sergey Kovalev (34-3-1)
    Callum Smith (27-0)
    Billy Joe Saunders (30-0)
    Caleb Plant (21-0)
    Jermell Charlo (35-1-1)

    Canelo Resume.jpg
    17
    It's Okay
    11.76%
    2
    It's Good but not Great
    17.65%
    3
    It's Great but doesn't reach HOF status
    11.76%
    2
    It's Hall Of Fame worthy
    41.18%
    7
    It's All Time Great worthy
    17.65%
    3
    Last edited by Malvado; 04-07-2024, 09:53 PM.

  • #2
    It's pretty damn great already and still not finished. Also considering he's a 5'8 natural Jmw or MW beating up big SMWs and LHWs.

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    • #3
      B class fighter....He failed to beat a elite fighter as of yet



      He's a champ that really hasn't dominated shyt in the ring...he padded his resume with b level 154-168 guys he supposed to ko, yet vs old sub elite guys like Jacobs, cotto, Mosley and ggg he could barely separate himself from
      garfios garfios PanchoGomez Rayzah like this.

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      • #4
        Its a very good resume, HOF worthy but not ATG lots of solid contenders and past prime fighters a couple good wins in there against peak fighters.
        El Escorpion Malvado likes this.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Spray_resistant View Post
          Its a very good resume, HOF worthy but not ATG lots of solid contenders and past prime fighters a couple good wins in there against peak fighters.
          I agree, though that is kind of difficult to see which are the peak fighters he beat which to me are Smith, Kirkland, Trout, GGG at 160 (declined but still quite dangerous), Jacobs (despite the rehydration clause), Saunders and Plant. All pretty good fighters though majority wouldn't be Hall Of Fame excluding GGG. Not sure if Erislandy Lara should be included, it is said to be controversial, but he didn't have much activity when it came to punching.

          The accumulation of these of wins and divisions won makes him a HOF, but to say he beat the best of fighters from different time periods, especially at 160-168 considering how close it was against his best opposition. No Marquee win where has utterly dominated a Great fighter on his peak.

          He stands at 5'8 but the guy has a big frame, he is a natural Middleweight who got advantages over small Light Middleweights, some who actually debuted at 140 or below like Cotto/Mosley rehydrating 20+ pounds and good timing in a weak 168 division.

          Cotto, Mosley, Kovalev and Charlo where at disadvantageous conditions AND had stipulations applied. Canelo might moved up to divisions to Light Heavyweight, but the Russian already had two back to back long stressful training camps and fought immediately two months later.
          Last edited by Malvado; 04-07-2024, 11:12 PM.

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          • #6
            If your blind and ****** it's an ATG resume.


            If you have common sense and perspective its not that good
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            • #7
              Canelo vs legitimate past/present/future world titlists:
              W vs Miguel Vazquez SD 4
              W vs Miguel Vazquez UD 10
              W vs Carlos Baldomir KO 6
              W vs Lovemore N'dou UD 12
              W vs Kermit Cintron TKO 5
              W vs Shane Mosley UD 12
              L vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. MD 12
              W vs Erislandy Lara SD 12
              W vs Miguel Cotto UD 12
              W vs Amir Khan KO 6
              W vs Liam Smith KO 9
              W vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. UD 12
              D vs Gennadiy Golovkin SD 12
              W vs Gennadiy Golovkin MD 12
              W vs Danny Jacobs UD 12
              W vs Sergey Kovalev KO 11
              W vs Callum Smith UD 12
              W vs Billy Joe Saunders RTD 8
              W vs Caleb Plant TKO 11
              L vs Dmitry Bivol UD 12
              W vs Gennadiy Golovkin UD 12
              W vs Jermell Charlo UD 12

              Canelo vs fake world titlists (interim/regular):
              W vs Austin Trout UD 12
              W vs Alfredo Angulo TKO 10
              W vs Rocky Fielding TKO 3
              W vs John Ryder UD 12

              He also beat other notable names like Josesito Lopez, James Kirkland, Matthew Hatton, etc.

              154: Ring Magazine, WBC
              160: Lineal/TBRB, Ring Magazine, WBA, WBC, IBF
              168: Lineal/TBRB, Ring Magazine, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO
              175: WBO

              Listen, I get that some of those names were washed up when he fought them. I get that he took some Ls along the way, I get that he got some gift decisions (I had GGG winning the first two fights for sure), I get that he should fight Benavidez and Morrell, I get that he popped for PEDs, I get that he exploited his A side status and size advantages when he could. All of those are valid points.

              But still. Every fighter's resume is somewhat padded with weaker champions, washed names. Tons of fighters pop for PEDs, tons of fighters got a few gifts over the years, tons of fighters try to take every advantage they can get. And very few of those resumes stack up to the above.

              Bottom line is he fought a ridiculously high level of competition over a very long period of time. He's a two division lineal champion, a three division Ring champion, a two division unified champion (his WBA belt at 154 was a Regular title so it doesn't count), a one division undisputed champion, and a four division world titlist.

              All time great? No, but he's a very obvious Hall of Famer.
              Last edited by famicommander; 04-08-2024, 12:55 AM.
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              • #8
                Contenders:
                Liam Smith (23-0-1)
                Austin Trout (26-0)
                James Kirkland (32-1)

                Old Garde:
                Shane Mosley (47-6-1)
                Miguel Cotto (40-4)

                Rivalry:
                Gennady Golovkin X2 (38-0-1) (42-1-1)

                Rehydration clause:
                Sergey Kovalev (34-3-1)

                Prime:
                Billy Joe Saunders (30-0)
                Caleb Plant (21-0)
                Jermell Charlo (35-1-1)
                Callum Smith (27-0)​
                Daniel Jacobs (35-2)
                Erislandy Lara (19-1-2)

                Canelo has generated alot of money for the promoters but in terms of resume he is the guy that clearly beat: Saunders,Plant,Charlo,Smith,Jacobs,Lara. In many other era's these fighters would not have been champions.

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                • #9
                  Can't no boogeyman touch his resume.

                  UD12 Plant

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Teetotaler69 View Post
                    If your blind and ****** it's an ATG resume.


                    If you have common sense and perspective its not that good
                    Even SRR's (fan fave for ATG) resume has big sections of questionable opponents.

                    In order to truly mock Nelo's resume, one must post up a better one
                    Preferably an ACTIVE fighter

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