I can understand and agree with the criticism of Canelo, but I see him as a great fighter who jumped into pro boxing at a very young age. He has 64 fights in 19 years which also counts. But if I have to narrow it down to his top fights only, I find it great enough, surely HoF, maybe a thin ATG, but this status is yet to be confirmed. He is still unlikeable, and de****able with a lot of corruption around his success.
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Originally posted by fifth_root View PostI can understand and agree with the criticism of Canelo, but I see him as a great fighter who jumped into pro boxing at a very young age. He has 64 fights in 19 years which also counts. But if I have to narrow it down to his top fights only, I find it great enough, surely HoF, maybe a thin ATG, but this status is yet to be confirmed. He is still unlikeable, and de****able with a lot of corruption around his success.
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Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post
Even SRR's (fan fave for ATG) resume has big sections of questionable opponents.
In order to truly mock Nelo's resume, one must post up a better one
Preferably an ACTIVE fighter
2. Of course plenty of fighters have wins over declined fighters, but they also have consistent big wins.
Usyk:
Cruiserweight
Krzysztof Głowacki (26-0, 22 KOs) WBO champion
Mairis Breidis (23-0, 18 KOs) WBC champion
Murat Gassiev (26-0-1, 19 KOs) WBA and IBF champion.
Tony Bellew (30-2-1, 20 KOs) WBC champion
Heavyweight
Daniel Dubois (19-1, 18 KOs) Regular (Interim) WBA title
Anthony Joshua X2 (24-1, 22 KOs) (24-2) two time unified champion.
Glowacki 30 years old
Breidis 33 years old
Gassiev 25 years old
Bellew 35 years old
Dubois 25 years old
Joshua X2 was 31 and 32 years old.
Of this list, only Bellew was declining though quite dangerous.
Inoue:
Light Flyweight:
Ryochi Taguchi (18-1-1, 8 KOs) WBA and IBF champion
Adrian Hernandez (29-2-1, 18 KOs) two time WBC champion.
Super Flyweight:
Omar Narvaez (43-1-2, 1 DQ, 23 KOs) WBO champion
Antonio Nieves (17-1-2, 9 KOs) WBO champion
Bantamweight:
Jamie McDonnell (29-2-1, 13 KOs) IBF champion
Juan Carlos Payano (20-1, 9 KOs) WBA champion
Emmanuel Rodriguez (19-0, 12 KOs) IBF champion
Nonito Donaire X2 (40-5, 26 KOs) ( 42-6, 28 KOs) WBA champion
Jason Moloney (21-1, 18 KOs) WBO and IBF champion
Paul Butler (34-2, 15 KOs) two time IBF and WBO champion
Super Bantamweight:
Stephen Fulton (21-0, 8 KOs) WBC and WBO champion
Marlon Tapales (37-3, 19 KOs) WBA champion
Taguchi 27 years old
Hernandez 28 years old
Narvaez 38 years old
Nieves 30 years old
McDonnell 32 years old
Payano 34 years old
Rodriguez 26 years old
Donaire 36 and 39 years old.
Moloney 29 years old
Butler 34 years old
Fulton 29 years old
Tapales 31 years old
Narvaez and Payano seem to have been declining, Donaire is a athletic phenom even by the first time they fought, but declined in the rematch. There are three potential HOF in Rodriguez, Moloney and Fulton. While Donaire is clearly going to be one or a ATG.Last edited by Malvado; 04-08-2024, 04:32 AM.
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Originally posted by Feroz View Post
1. Not sure why you brought up Benavidez in your first post. Never said he had a HOF resume and this is a different topic.
2. Of course plenty of fighters have wins over declined fighters, but they also have quite big wins.
Usyk:
Cruiserweight
Krzysztof Głowacki (26-0, 22 KOs) WBO champion
Mairis Breidis (23-0, 18 KOs) WBC champion
Murat Gassiev (26-0-1, 19 KOs) WBA and IBF champion.
Tony Bellew (30-2-1, 20 KOs) WBC champion
Heavyweight
Daniel Dubois (19-1, 18 KOs) Regular (Interim) WBA title
Anthony Joshua X2 (24-1, 22 KOs) (24-2) two time unified champion.
Glowacki 30 years old
Breidis 33 years old
Gassiev 25 years old
Bellew 35 years old
Dubois 25 years old
Joshua X2 was 31 and 32 years old.
Of this list, only Bellew was declining though quite dangerous.
Inoue:
Light Flyweight:
Ryochi Taguchi (18-1-1, 8 KOs) WBA and IBF champion
Adrian Hernandez (29-2-1, 18 KOs) two time WBC champion.
Super Flyweight:
Omar Narvaez (43-1-2, 1 DQ, 23 KOs) WBO champion
Antonio Nieves (17-1-2, 9 KOs) WBO champion
Bantamweight:
Jamie McDonnell (29-2-1, 13 KOs) IBF champion
Juan Carlos Payano (20-1, 9 KOs) WBA champion
Emmanuel Rodriguez (19-0, 12 KOs) IBF champion
Nonito Donaire X2 (40-5, 26 KOs) ( 42-6, 28 KOs) WBA champion
Jason Moloney (21-1, 18 KOs) WBO and IBF champion
Paul Butler (34-2, 15 KOs) two time IBF and WBO champion
Super Bantamweight:
Stephen Fulton (21-0, 8 KOs) WBC and WBO champion
Marlon Tapales (37-3, 19 KOs) WBA champion
Taguchi 27 years old
Hernandez 28 years old
Narvaez 38 years old
Nieves 30 years old
McDonnell 32 years old
Payano 34 years old
Rodriguez 26 years old
Donaire 36 and 39 years old.
Moloney 29 years old
Butler 34 years old
Fulton 29 years old
Tapales 31 years old
Narvaez and Payano seem to have been declining, Donaire is a athletic phenom even by the first time they fought, but declined in the rematch.
That comment was not pointed at you. Just in general.
When a guy is anointed ''face of boxing'', it's not by picking a name from a hat.
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Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post
Sry
That comment was not pointed at you. Just in general.
When a guy is anointed ''face of boxing'', it's not by picking a name from a hat.
Anthony Joshua, Juan Francisco Estrada and Dimitry Bivol could probably also be there if AJ beats Usyk in the Trilogy, Estrada upsets Rodriguez and Bivol beats Beterviev.
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Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post
Sry
That comment was not pointed at you. Just in general.
When a guy is anointed ''face of boxing'', it's not by picking a name from a hat.
TBS, I'd say Canelo is somewhere in the 40-50 range all-time.JakeTheBoxer likes this.
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Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post
You're all over the place
(Especially your last bit)
So, even with all of the criticism, there is no other resume worth naming
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