Heavyweights better than wilder

[paulf]

Right now?

I wouldn't trust Wilder to beat Jake Paul at the moment.

With the benefit of what we know now, I think we can conclude that neither Fury nor Wilder were very good. Fury caught Wladimir Klitschko at the right time (after he underperformed against a guy who never won a relevant fight of any kind ever again).

I think this will be evidenct when Usyk beats Fury.

Wilder was very gifted but was lazy and insane. Could actually say that about Fury too.

They should make a movie together.

[daggum]

Ok. If I go to the trouble to, it's not to argue, it's to simply offer my perspective. For those looking to support their opinions with knowledge, I do it to teach.

Here goes.....

First. You see how famous the heavyweight champions are around the world, right?
Sullivan, Corbett, Fitszimmons, Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Schmelling, Louis, Marciano, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson...

Each one of those champs could make a reasonable claim of being one of the 20 most famous living people in the world while they were the champion or at the height of their fame. And each one became very wealthy as well.
That's a big reward, right? It's huge.

Now, lets say I grew up big, strong and tough, never once backing down from a fight. When I fought, it became very obvious that I had a unique talent for scrapping and winning, and as a young man I've decided I want to see if I can actually make a living at this. I am 100% dedicated to seeing this through, and being unique, when I set my sights on something, things tend to happen.

What are my options in the 21st century?

I could become a MMA fighter, and maybe become a UFC champion doing that.
That means I'd get plenty of attention. I'd be on PPVs. My whole town will know who I am
The money's good too. I could make as much as $600k for a title fight, and could do that maybe twice a year.

But it also means that I am owned. I can't profit from my name or sign lucrative endorsement deals. I'll never be any more than a salaried employee with the UFC, and if the Boss doesn't approve of something I've put up on X or Facebook, the Boss will scold me on the air and make me apologize like a child; and if I rufused him, I will be fired.
That's not much of a reward, really. Not a real champion; and its not enough for someone as good as I believe I can be.

If I felt like I was a natural, and I take a queue from Francis Ngannou and look to greater accomplishments and (much) bigger paydays, I am beyond MMA. I beleive in myself so much, that I, like Ngannou want to go far beyond what MMA can pay me. I want the biggest prize. I am good enough to become a legend in all nations, and make a hundred million by fighting, calling my own shots. In Boxing, as a champion, the promoter works for me, not the other way around.

Boxing is my choice with that kind of high self worth, and it isn't even a question.

So, I take my high self esteem and my high natural abilities and I work and work and learn and train and work some more.
With a good trainer, I isolate the perfect style that utilizes my special gifts and protects me from the things that others may do better than I can. And my journey is underway.

I begin to score KO wins over other big, strong tough guys with the same qualifications, the same nerve, the same background, the same motivation and the same rock solid confidence that I have.

But Im beating them
5 wins, 10 wins, 15....

At this point, I am already a very rare, very special athlete. That's nobody's opionion, it's whats happening in the ring. This, what I'm winning, is not Baseball. It's not even Football. It's no kind of game at all. And it's not a fight I'm going to win with a rear naked choke (a strange name for sure), a kick in the knee or a twisted elbow.
This is the real thing. The honorable way, as understood by the cultures of Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome. Classic England and the modern U.S.
That is why it pays so much!

Some fans (and you know who you are) might sit at work on their phone and call me "A bum" on some message board, because they feel tough when they do that, I suppose. But they never do it to my face.
They know better, and so does every oil rig worker, farmer, cowboy, coal miner, biker, bouncer and weight lifter I come across. I'm an elite combat sport fighter already. No ordinary man. ....And I'm just getting started.

Next comes my big test. I'm face to face with another genuine prospect who like me, has left a slew of tough SOBs crumpled at their feet, just like I have......and I knock him too.

At this point, I advance from prospect to fringe contender status (top 25), with more wins over experienced veterans and other prospects.
It's been a long, difficult journey already.

Next, I fight my way into the top 10, helping to usher in a brand new era.
Just imagine; 4,042,000,000 men on earth.
Shave off those unable to become a good fighter because of physical limits, and those not courageous enough to fight for a chance at the BIG rewards, and only 2,682 men are left at heavyweight, and I have become one of the 10 best of them, according to the Ring Magazine Ratings.

I am Deontay Wilder, and it is the year 2013.
11 years have passed and I remain top 10 after all that time.

Number 9 today, the 19th of March, 2024 following a non-action decision dropped to spoiler Joseph Parker in my first distance fight in five years.

At this point, the childish musings of minimum wage fans and anti-fans who disparage my accomplishments from a safe distance means very little to me.

Those who truly understand what it takes to succeed here, turning pro, climbing the ladder, winning a world title and defending it 10 times against every single top 10 contender that the WBC places before you, and winning with a 100% knockout rate, and stepping in to fight a draw against one of the two other world title claimants of my era, while the 3rd claimant fails to keep his title long enough to face me, flopping around on the canvas like a seal when blasted out by a sub-top 10 guy (Ruiz).
Those fans, who are respectful and who see things correctly.....their opinions mean everything to me. Everything.

Because I am a professional.

I may not be perfect, but I am exceptional, and I have gone through the ultimate purification process known to man.

REAL fight fans needn't be reminded of this.
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the only top 10 guy you ever ko'd was 40 years old and out of shape. spare me that crap. his resume sucks. stop overhyping him. you dont seem to comprehend the things you write. wilder has been in the top 10 for 11 years. yeah you want to know why? because he was fighting soft competition for most of that time! you know how many top 10 guys wilder beat in those 11 years? 2! its not so hard to hang around the top 10 when you have hype and an aversion to fighting good comp. parker just beat 2 top 10 guys in 6 months...guys better than the guys wilder beat as well., love letter to parker coming soon? have you ever heard the term quality over quantity? you also have wilder above parker somehow...parker much better resume and schooled wilder head to head.

you turned down 100 million and ducked the crap outta joshua. spare me that crap. in fact you just lost to parker so you couldnt face him. oh yeah and his resume sh-its all over yours! where is your love letter to joshua for actually accomplishing things? thats how i can tell you have no credibility. you made some long bogus letter giving wilder credit for being better tahn 4 million men...that has nothing to do with what we were talkikng about. nothing. is he better than joshua, usyk, fury klitschko, joyce, parker, ruiz, povetkin, etc...and the answer is no.

[daggum]

Right now?

I wouldn't trust Wilder to beat Jake Paul at the moment.

With the benefit of what we know now, I think we can conclude that neither Fury nor Wilder were very good. Fury caught Wladimir Klitschko at the right time (after he underperformed against a guy who never won a relevant fight of any kind ever again).

I think this will be evidenct when Usyk beats Fury.

Wilder was very gifted but was lazy and insane. Could actually say that about Fury too.

They should make a movie together.

fury is pretty good but wilder not so much. joshua gets crapped on but his resume is much better than furys. people just like the hype. example wilder, tank, etc...an undefeated guy with a slim resume is considered better than a guy with a much better resume with a loss or 2. i guess that will never change even though the more you fight better fighters the better your chances of losing go up...oh well some people dont get that. wilders "greatness" was based on the fantasy threat that he could ko any man but of course this was hollow as the only men he fought were bums and old men. he fought 2 prime guys and was schooled. now that we know all that you still have crazy fans making novels about how amazing wilder was when the reality is he was setup to succeed in every way possible and did the bare minimum.

[ELPacman]

Man, if Fury had not gotten back up in the 12th, there would be a totally different tune played around here. Fury getting up changed his legacy forever. I suppose that did for Wilder as well. Again, if Fury had not gotten back up, this thread wouldn't exist, lol.

I'm not entirely defending Wilder either. I know he's limited as f**k when it comes to his boxing ability. Though I'll say, he produced some exciting KO's and was in mostly entertaining fights throughout his career minus Parker.

[Willow The Wisp]

the only top 10 guy you ever ko'd was 40 years old and out of shape. spare me that crap. his resume sucks. stop overhyping him. you dont seem to comprehend the things you write. wilder has been in the top 10 for 11 years. yeah you want to know why? because he was fighting soft competition for most of that time! you know how many top 10 guys wilder beat in those 11 years? 2! its not so hard to hang around the top 10 when you have hype and an aversion to fighting good comp. parker just beat 2 top 10 guys in 6 months...guys better than the guys wilder beat as well., love letter to parker coming soon? have you ever heard the term quality over quantity? you also have wilder above parker somehow...parker much better resume and schooled wilder head to head.

you turned down 100 million and ducked the crap outta joshua. spare me that crap. in fact you just lost to parker so you couldnt face him. oh yeah and his resume sh-its all over yours! where is your love letter to joshua for actually accomplishing things? thats how i can tell you have no credibility. you made some long bogus letter giving wilder credit for being better tahn 4 million men...that has nothing to do with what we were talkikng about. nothing. is he better than joshua, usyk, fury klitschko, joyce, parker, ruiz, povetkin, etc...and the answer is no.

I didn't read your baiting mumdo jumbo. Maybe another time. Each of Wilder's 10 title defenses was against a top 10 contender, according to the WBC. That's whose belt he was defending. That's how it works in Boxing. I have fired many dozens of disrespectful morons of your ilk over the years.
What's one more?

Resume is the largest piece of a fighter's assessment. That goes without saying. But it doesn't stand alone without context.

For much of the past decade, Wilder was a WBC world champion. You don't jostle for a title shot against other contenders while in that position. As the WBC champion, you fight the contenders who are ranked by the WBC, exclusively, and Wilder did just that. And did it brilliantly.
What's difficult to understand about that?

Joshua faltered as champion against pedestrian opponents. Got knocked out. Fury and Wilder didn't.

Deal with it.