Heavyweights better than wilder

[Boxing 112]

During the current era I have: klitschko, fury, Joshua, usyk, ruiz, Parker, povetkin, Joyce, whyte, and Zhang. So wilder is the 11th best of his era. Not too bad. What do you think?

Wilder is 3rd.

[Willow The Wisp]

first chance? hes been fighting bums and looking terrible for almost a decade now. your list is laughable. wilder has a crap resume. why would you put him so high? wilder's "greatness" was based on hypotheticals and now it looks like none of those hypotheticals are going to be fulfilled

The reason I've placed him so high is because that's exactly where he belongs. You have to remember......By the time I was 13 years old, I knew a lot more about this sport than you'll ever know. And it shows.

Yank-Envy and nothing but.

[11player]

During the current era I have: klitschko, fury, Joshua, usyk, ruiz, Parker, povetkin, Joyce, whyte, and Zhang. So wilder is the 11th best of his era. Not too bad. What do you think?

Better than Wilder: Klitschko, Usyk, Joshua, Fury, Povetkin, Haye, Parker, Hrgovic

About the same as Wilder: Pulev, Ruiz, Dillian White, Joyce, Zhang

[daggum]

Wilder is 3rd.

based on what though? all the guys i mentioned simply have better resumes than him. this isnt a fantasy type of deal

[daggum]

Better than Wilder: Klitschko, Usyk, Joshua, Fury, Povetkin, Haye, Parker, Hrgovic

About the same as Wilder: Pulev, Ruiz, Dillian White, Joyce, Zhang

that seems fair although ruiz should be way above wilder. he has wins over joshua and ortiz(wilders best win) and a debatable lsos to parker who schooled wilder.

[daggum]

The reason I've placed him so high is because that's exactly where he belongs. You have to remember......By the time I was 13 years old, I knew a lot more about this sport than you'll ever know. And it shows.

Yank-Envy and nothing but.

why does he belong that high though? it cant be resume as the guys i listed have better resumes. for example compare a guy like joyce to wilder. joyce ko'd parker which is a better win than wilder has. he also has wins over dubois, jennings, and stiverene. wilder has ortiz, stiverene, and nobody else relevant.

i dont know what yank envy is? im american and i dont envy anyone from alabama thats for sure

[Willow The Wisp]

why does he belong that high though? it cant be resume as the guys i listed have better resumes. for example compare a guy like joyce to wilder. joyce ko'd parker which is a better win than wilder has. he also has wins over dubois, jennings, and stiverene. wilder has ortiz, stiverene, and nobody else relevant.

i dont know what yank envy is? im american and i dont envy anyone from alabama thats for sure

Ok. If I go to the trouble to, it's not to argue, it's to simply offer my perspective. For those looking to support their opinions with knowledge, I do it to teach.

Here goes.....

First. You see how famous the heavyweight champions are around the world, right?
Sullivan, Corbett, Fitszimmons, Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Schmelling, Louis, Marciano, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson...

Each one of those champs could make a reasonable claim of being one of the 20 most famous living people in the world while they were the champion or at the height of their fame. And each one became very wealthy as well.
That's a big reward, right? It's huge.

Now, lets say I grew up big, strong and tough, never once backing down from a fight. When I fought, it became very obvious that I had a unique talent for scrapping and winning, and as a young man I've decided I want to see if I can actually make a living at this. I am 100% dedicated to seeing this through, and being unique, when I set my sights on something, things tend to happen.

What are my options in the 21st century?

I could become a MMA fighter, and maybe become a UFC champion doing that.
That means I'd get plenty of attention. I'd be on PPVs. My whole town will know who I am
The money's good too. I could make as much as $600k for a title fight, and could do that maybe twice a year.

But it also means that I am owned. I can't profit from my name or sign lucrative endorsement deals. I'll never be any more than a salaried employee with the UFC, and if the Boss doesn't approve of something I've put up on X or Facebook, the Boss will scold me on the air and make me apologize like a child; and if I rufused him, I will be fired.
That's not much of a reward, really. Not a real champion; and its not enough for someone as good as I believe I can be.

If I felt like I was a natural, and I take a queue from Francis Ngannou and look to greater accomplishments and (much) bigger paydays, I am beyond MMA. I beleive in myself so much, that I, like Ngannou want to go far beyond what MMA can pay me. I want the biggest prize. I am good enough to become a legend in all nations, and make a hundred million by fighting, calling my own shots. In Boxing, as a champion, the promoter works for me, not the other way around.

Boxing is my choice with that kind of high self worth, and it isn't even a question.

So, I take my high self esteem and my high natural abilities and I work and work and learn and train and work some more.
With a good trainer, I isolate the perfect style that utilizes my special gifts and protects me from the things that others may do better than I can. And my journey is underway.

I begin to score KO wins over other big, strong tough guys with the same qualifications, the same nerve, the same background, the same motivation and the same rock solid confidence that I have.

But Im beating them
5 wins, 10 wins, 15....

At this point, I am already a very rare, very special athlete. That's nobody's opionion, it's whats happening in the ring. This, what I'm winning, is not Baseball. It's not even Football. It's no kind of game at all. And it's not a fight I'm going to win with a rear naked choke (a strange name for sure), a kick in the knee or a twisted elbow.
This is the real thing. The honorable way, as understood by the cultures of Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome. Classic England and the modern U.S.
That is why it pays so much!

Some fans (and you know who you are) might sit at work on their phone and call me "A bum" on some message board, because they feel tough when they do that, I suppose. But they never do it to my face.
They know better, and so does every oil rig worker, farmer, cowboy, coal miner, biker, bouncer and weight lifter I come across. I'm an elite combat sport fighter already. No ordinary man. ....And I'm just getting started.

Next comes my big test. I'm face to face with another genuine prospect who like me, has left a slew of tough SOBs crumpled at their feet, just like I have......and I knock him too.

At this point, I advance from prospect to fringe contender status (top 25), with more wins over experienced veterans and other prospects.
It's been a long, difficult journey already.

Next, I fight my way into the top 10, helping to usher in a brand new era.
Just imagine; 4,042,000,000 men on earth.
Shave off those unable to become a good fighter because of physical limits, and those not courageous enough to fight for a chance at the BIG rewards, and only 2,682 men are left at heavyweight, and I have become one of the 10 best of them, according to the Ring Magazine Ratings.

I am Deontay Wilder, and it is the year 2013.
11 years have passed and I remain top 10 after all that time.

Number 9 today, the 19th of March, 2024 following a non-action decision dropped to spoiler Joseph Parker in my first distance fight in five years.

At this point, the childish musings of minimum wage fans and anti-fans who disparage my accomplishments from a safe distance means very little to me.

Those who truly understand what it takes to succeed here, turning pro, climbing the ladder, winning a world title and defending it 10 times against every single top 10 contender that the WBC places before you, and winning with a 100% knockout rate, and stepping in to fight a draw against one of the two other world title claimants of my era, while the 3rd claimant fails to keep his title long enough to face me, flopping around on the canvas like a seal when blasted out by a sub-top 10 guy (Ruiz).
Those fans, who are respectful and who see things correctly.....their opinions mean everything to me. Everything.

Because I am a professional.

I may not be perfect, but I am exceptional, and I have gone through the ultimate purification process known to man.

REAL fight fans needn't be reminded of this.

[Shadoww702]

That's because in the amateurs they make you fight good opponents.

They wear head gear. Very hard to get ko's in the amateurs

[mrbig1]

worse foot work I've ever seen from a Champion. He has no jab and can't slip a punch to save his life. he needs to learn to fight like Foreman. big George didn't need footwork because he's coming after you throwing bombs. It takes a skilled fighter to catch someone walking it with a counter punch. Wilder doesn't have anything close to that. As of now he's at the bottom of that list.

[Marchegiano]

Wilder still living in your head bro?


Purely in terms of threads about a specific subject our daggum dedicates more time to talking about Deontay Wilder than the following HWs:

klitschko, fury, Joshua, usyk, ruiz, Parker, povetkin, Joyce, whyte, and Zhang


Hmm. Joshua is so good you spent his entire career talking about Wilder and can't even front on that. easy work homie.