Rate Hrgovic's chances against Joshua from 1 to 10

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  • Atypicalbrit
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    #51
    Originally posted by Dr. Z



    He is much better than Gudio. To compare the two is laughable. He is a legit top ten ring magazine rated heavyweight , and talents such as Parker, Ruiz, Hunter and company passed on his manager opportunity to fight him. Grade B or C?

    I do not doubt he has his share if detractors, some of whom are haters others think he is just sightly above Guido. I get the picture.
    Hrgovic is a very average fighter. He has some things like amateur experience, decent size, isn't completley glass chinned.

    But he's had the easiest route to a world title shot imaginable and his team has chosen to sit on that shot and not entertain taking any risks whatsoever.

    That tells you everything about their confidence in him and I fully belive he will fare only marginally better than Tony Yoka as a pro when all is said and done.

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    • Inoue Body Shot
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      #52
      Joshua vs Hrgovic is a good fight while we wait for Fury vs Usyk.

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      • Atypicalbrit
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        #53
        Originally posted by SilverMiles
        About a 7, young and big heavyweight with pedigree. I would only slightly favor AJ to win by a controversial decision or very late stoppage.
        What ****ing sense does that make if you give Hrgovic a 7 that means a 70% chance of winning then you say you'd favour Joshua what?

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        • Superbee
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          #54
          2 .... and he'll need a AJ vs Ruiz state of mind... I say AJ disposes of him in less than 4 rounds...

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          • SilverMiles
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            #55
            Originally posted by Atypicalbrit

            What ****ing sense does that make if you give Hrgovic a 7 that means a 70% chance of winning then you say you'd favour Joshua what?
            If you're using the 1 to 10 in a quantitative matter, then 7 out of 10 would be 70% I suppose, but I took the OP scale to be qualitative, meaning 1 = A poor chance of winning and 10 = an excellent chance of winning.

            I assumed if the OP wanted just a percentage base, he could have asked what chance you give Hrgovic and dropped the entire rating from 1 to 10 altogether. Using the 1 to 10 rating system on a quantitative basis would mean none of us could say Hrogvic has a 0% chance of winning, such as if AJ were to fight you or me.

            When I say 7, I merely state that Hrgovic has a good chance to win, but I would favor AJ in a match-up.

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            • Warrior7
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              #56
              Originally posted by Dr. Z

              Zhang and McKean DID not have greater reach than Hrgovic. But you are tight when you say Hrgovic can punish them up close or at range.

              Dr Z, we agree. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I also stated that Hrgovic had reach advantage even with tall fighters like Mckean and Zhang.

              Here are the details. (Height is 6 ft 6 in for all 3 of them):
              Hrgovic reach 82 in
              Mckean reach 77 in
              Zhang reach 80 in

              To put that into context, Hrgovic has a bit bigger reach even then a Klitschko brothers.

              On the other side AJ has the same reach as Hrgovic, 82 in. So neither of the fighters will have any advantage.
              They both have good fundamentals, but AJ have much more experience and is a bit better in most of the things. However, Hrgovic has a better chin and almost certainly hits harder, so fight will certainly be very competitive.

              I said 3 regarding Hrgovic chances, but if we want to put that into percentage, I would say 35% is about right.


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              • Atypicalbrit
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                #57
                Originally posted by Warrior7

                Hrgovic has a better chin and almost certainly hits harder, so fight will certainly be very competitive.

                What we basing this on?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Dr. Z

                  Anyone who saw the saw the Olympic match knows he won that fight and beat Yoka. AJ is not a bum, but he is clearly a level below Usyk. We don't know that about Hrgovic. Both Fury and Wilder are frauds who agreed not to tell on each others drugs test.... so.
                  If Joshua was a level below Uysk 'He would not of fought in two competitive fights over 24 rounds. Joshua in the rematch was the most improved of the two fighters'.

                  If the third fight was made? The likely-hood is that many people would still give Joshua a serious chance of beating Usyk.

                  Would you honestly with absolutely certainty back Uysk to beat Joshua, if the 3rd fight was called next? 'No, you would not'.

                  Note: I agree that Oleksandr Usyk thus-far in his heavyweight career, head to head has proven he was the better fighter than Anthony Joshua. But the battle between the top-4 Heavyweights is still on going, why are you such in a hurry to push Joshua aside? I am sure other people the boxing community have notice this behaviour? They want this era to reach its conclusion real quick, before potentially Joshua gets another chance at fighting for a Heavyweight title.

                  Anthony Joshua was beaten twice by Oleksandr Uysk, he was not brutally beaten up or decked 'The losses were not serve, and they actually solidified his level in the game'.

                  Whether people believe Joshua is the best Heavyweight out of the top-4, that is their personal opinion.

                  But for sure, Anthony Joshua's level as Heavyweight fighter and Champion is no mystery 'Joshua is the most component pure boxer, outside of both Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk. And he is also statistically the most proven and experienced Heavyweight at fighting Elite to World level fighters'.

                  The battle between the top-4 fighters to see who the last man standing of this era, is still on going 'Anthony Joshua is still in that competition, people need to accept this. Joshua is still here, one of the mountains of this Heavyweight era is still standing and dangerous' etc.


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                  • Dr. Z
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

                    If Joshua was a level below Uysk 'He would not of fought in two competitive fights over 24 rounds. Joshua in the rematch was the most improved of the two fighters'.

                    If the third fight was made? The likely-hood is that many people would still give Joshua a serious chance of beating Usyk.

                    Would you honestly with absolutely certainty back Uysk to beat Joshua, if the 3rd fight was called next? 'No, you would not'.

                    Note: I agree that Oleksandr Usyk thus-far in his heavyweight career, head to head has proven he was the better fighter than Anthony Joshua. But the battle between the top-4 Heavyweights is still on going, why are you such in a hurry to push Joshua aside? I am sure other people the boxing community have notice this behaviour? They want this era to reach its conclusion real quick, before potentially Joshua gets another chance at fighting for a Heavyweight title.

                    Anthony Joshua was beaten twice by Oleksandr Uysk, he was not brutally beaten up or decked 'The losses were not serve, and they actually solidified his level in the game'.

                    Whether people believe Joshua is the best Heavyweight out of the top-4, that is their personal opinion.

                    But for sure, Anthony Joshua's level as Heavyweight fighter and Champion is no mystery 'Joshua is the most component pure boxer, outside of both Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk. And he is also statistically the most proven and experienced Heavyweight at fighting Elite to World level fighters'.

                    The battle between the top-4 fighters to see who the last man standing of this era, is still on going 'Anthony Joshua is still in that competition, people need to accept this. Joshua is still here, one of the mountains of this Heavyweight era is still standing and dangerous' etc.


                    By the time they may fight for a 3rd time Usyk will be at least 38! As such a 3rd match will do little for AJ's legacy.

                    As of 3-16-24, I view the top 4 heavyweights as Usyk, Hrgovic, Joshua, and for now Fury.


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                    • Dr. Z
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Atypicalbrit

                      What we basing this on?
                      Video and facts. He has not been Ko'd in the amateurs or pro's and faced a ton of punchers.

                      His last five opponent's were 119-2-3 !!! Four if theses men were undefeated until facing Hrgovic.

                      Hrgoivc does attract the naysayers, or haters. But they tend to fail to explain their reasoning and cross reference past heavyweight champions when they had 17 total fights.

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