AJ is good but....

[JakeTheBoxer]

Well, to me Joshua is more proven than Fury.

Fury has : Klitschko, Wilder 3x, Wallin, Whyte, Chisora 3x

Joshua has : Klitschko, Whyte, Povetkin, Ruiz, Parker, I can also count fringe guys like Pulev, Martin, Takam as solid wins

Fury beating Wilder and Chisora over and over again doesn`t make me believe he is the best.

Yeah, Joshua lost to Usyk twice, how does Fury do against Usyk...that remains to be seen.

If Fury beats Usyk, I still must see him against some other guys to make sure he is the best of this generation, because Usyk also doesn`t have some deep resume at hw.

[PRINCEKOOL]

In the battle to see who will be the last man standing from this era 'We are in the 4th quarter, this battle between the top-4 fighters is all about their clutch game and long game'.

I.E Long game is how well a fighter can maintain, or stay competitive and display longevity. And Clutch game is how well a fighter performs in a big time fight situation during the big dance.

The reality of Anthony Joshua's career is? That he has been to the big dance, many times before 'Anthony Joshua came into this boxing game at altitude, a altitude of expectation and pressure that many boxers do not experience'.

Anthony Joshua has been the favourite for every single fight, he has ever fought in 'Even if the raw statistics were stacks against him. There is no way, he should of been favourite vs Wladimir Kiltschko in his 19th professional fight, but he was. That is some serious expectation, and pressure'.

I have always regarded Anthony Joshua's victory over Wladimir Kiltschko 'More superior than Tyson Fury's, from the perspective of what actually happed inside of the ring. And the version of Wladimir Kiltschko that he fought'.

Tyson Fury's victory is greater in terms of historical magnitude, but Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. 'It is the fight, were conclusively the Heavyweight Division was taken into a completely new dynasty'.

Anthony Joshua fought the version of Wladimir Kiltschko, that Tyson Fury 'Should of fought in their scheduled rematch'. Kiltschko never retired after losing to Fury, he immediately initiated his rematch clause 'Tyson Fury pulled out of the rematch twice'.

It was a injustice that Wladimir Kiltschko 'A Champion of close to 10 years, was denied the opportunity to win his World titles back vs Tyson Fury. Wladimir Kiltschko in is career statistically had never lose a rematch'.

Wladimir Kiltschko had to endure three back to back training camps, before fighting Anthony Joshua 'Because Tyson Fury pulled out of their scheduled rematch twice. Unfortunately due to his circumstance'.

Wladimir Kiltschko in my opinion, from all the evidence that I have seen 'Kiltschko was in better condition for Joshua, than he was for Fury.This has been endorsed by Kiltschko himself, he has specifically stated that he was in better condition more well prepared for the Anthony Joshua fight'.

Wladimir Kiltschko weighed in at 240 pounds vs Joshua, compared to 245 pounds vs Fury 'Anthony Joshua fought the version of Wladimir Kiltschko, who Tyson Fury should of fought in their rematch. It was Joshua who conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new Dynasty'.

Note: All these years later, Anthony Joshua is still dangerous 'He is still a threat, and somehow, someway he has found a way to stay in the battle to see who will be the last man standing of this era'.

That is the reality, they are the facts of the situation of the Heavyweight Division at this time 'Between the battle of the top-4 Heavyweights'.

People need to understand that 'This not really about Heavyweight prospects'.

It is about the post Wladimir Kiltschko era 'And in that era there have been three mountains, and those mountains are Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua'. They have been the three mountains of this era, they have been the fighters everyone wanted to climb and conquer'.

Anthony Joshua has lost fights, but he has never been defeated 'A loss is not a defeat, they are two totally different things'.

Wladimir Kiltschko on the eve of his fight with Anthony Joshua compared himself to Mount Everest 'In reference to his loss to Tyson Fury'.

Kiltschko stated 'During his career he has lost fights, there have been fighters who have climbed the mountain. But just like Mount Everest he is still here, and those fighters are not'.

And it is the same with Anthony Joshua 'People have tried to convinced themselves, that the mountain had been conquered. That it was no longer a threat, anyone long as they prepared could climb the mountain'.

On May 29th 1953 'Mount Everest was first climbed, that was when the first ascent was made'.

But ever single year, people still find out that Mount Everest is Dangerous 'Mount Everest is still there'.

It is 2024, and people in the boxing world are understanding that Anthony Joshua is still dangerous 'And he is still here, and one of the Heavyweight Mountains of this era'.

Francis Ngannou has just suffered the worst loss of his combat career 'It does not matter whether he continues to fight in boxing, or mixed martial arts. Ngannou's opponents their perception of him has now been altered'.

Anthony Joshua obliterated Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds 'A fighter who has never been hurt badly, by a punch, kick, elbow, knee. Anthony Joshua has just decimated Ngannou'.

Ngannou's entire aura of intimidation, was that 'He was a supreme athlete, with herculean strength and power that is impregnable to physical attacks'.

Anthony Joshua broke through that aura of intimidation, and he has showed combat athletes that Francis Ngannou is not impregnable or invulnerable to physical attacks'.

In boxing there are different type's of challenges 'There are skill and technical challenge's, and then there are challenges of strength, power and resolve'.

Francis Ngannou was a challenge of strength, power and resolve more than he was a technical challenge 'But still he was a definitively a serious challenge'.

And I believe Joshua does deserve credit for his victory 'Because stylistically, in order for Joshua to fight the way he did. He had to not back down from the danger, and potential brutality. There are many narratives that have been promoted within boxing, which have tried to convinced people that Joshua does not really have the ability to fight gallantly in face of those category and type of challenges'.

Anthony Joshua is facing his battles, he is disproving narratives 'And is somehow, someway finding a way to stay in this battle to see who will be the last man standing from this era' etc.

[SUBZER0ED]

You're right.

Fury's always been better than AJ, but the AJ stans that went into hiding after Ruiz & 2 loses to Usyk are back to pester us again thanks to a few wins over journeymen & an MMA fighters, while Fury & Wilder have gotten old & decline.

If Tyson is anywhere near where he was when he fought Whyte just a few years ago, he easily beats AJ.

Fury is 35, and Joshua is 34. Wilder @ 38, is the old one.

[SUBZER0ED]

In the battle to see who will be the last man standing from this era 'We are in the 4th quarter, this battle between the top-4 fighters is all about their clutch game and long game'.

I.E Long game is how well a fighter can maintain, or stay competitive and display longevity. And Clutch game is how well a fighter performs in a big time fight situation during the big dance.

The reality of Anthony Joshua's career is? That he has been to the big dance, many times before 'Anthony Joshua came into this boxing game at altitude, a altitude of expectation and pressure that many boxers do not experience'.

Anthony Joshua has been the favourite for every single fight, he has ever fought in 'Even if the raw statistics were stacks against him. There is no way, he should of been favourite vs Wladimir Kiltschko in his 19th professional fight, but he was. That is some serious expectation, and pressure'.

I have always regarded Anthony Joshua's victory over Wladimir Kiltschko 'More superior than Tyson Fury's, from the perspective of what actually happed inside of the ring. And the version of Wladimir Kiltschko that he fought'.

Tyson Fury's victory is greater in terms of historical magnitude, but Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. 'It is the fight, were conclusively the Heavyweight Division was taken into a completely new dynasty'.

Anthony Joshua fought the version of Wladimir Kiltschko, that Tyson Fury 'Should of fought in their scheduled rematch'. Kiltschko never retired after losing to Fury, he immediately initiated his rematch clause 'Tyson Fury pulled out of the rematch twice'.

It was a injustice that Wladimir Kiltschko 'A Champion of close to 10 years, was denied the opportunity to win his World titles back vs Tyson Fury. Wladimir Kiltschko in is career statistically had never lose a rematch'.

Wladimir Kiltschko had to endure three back to back training camps, before fighting Anthony Joshua 'Because Tyson Fury pulled out of their scheduled rematch twice. Unfortunately due to his circumstance'.

Wladimir Kiltschko in my opinion, from all the evidence that I have seen 'Kiltschko was in better condition for Joshua, than he was for Fury.This has been endorsed by Kiltschko himself, he has specifically stated that he was in better condition more well prepared for the Anthony Joshua fight'.

Wladimir Kiltschko weighed in at 240 pounds vs Joshua, compared to 245 pounds vs Fury 'Anthony Joshua fought the version of Wladimir Kiltschko, who Tyson Fury should of fought in their rematch. It was Joshua who conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new Dynasty'.

Note: All these years later, Anthony Joshua is still dangerous 'He is still a threat, and somehow, someway he has found a way to stay in the battle to see who will be the last man standing of this era'.

That is the reality, they are the facts of the situation of the Heavyweight Division at this time 'Between the battle of the top-4 Heavyweights'.

People need to understand that 'This not really about Heavyweight prospects'.

It is about the post Wladimir Kiltschko era 'And in that era there have been three mountains, and those mountains are Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua'. They have been the three mountains of this era, they have been the fighters everyone wanted to climb and conquer'.

Anthony Joshua has lost fights, but he has never been defeated 'A loss is not a defeat, they are two totally different things'.

Wladimir Kiltschko on the eve of his fight with Anthony Joshua compared himself to Mount Everest 'In reference to his loss to Tyson Fury'.

Kiltschko stated 'During his career he has lost fights, there have been fighters who have climbed the mountain. But just like Mount Everest he is still here, and those fighters are not'.

And it is the same with Anthony Joshua 'People have tried to convinced themselves, that the mountain had been conquered. That it was no longer a threat, anyone long as they prepared could climb the mountain'.

On May 29th 1953 'Mount Everest was first climbed, that was when the first ascent was made'.

But ever single year, people still find out that Mount Everest is Dangerous 'Mount Everest is still there'.

It is 2024, and people in the boxing world are understanding that Anthony Joshua is still dangerous 'And he is still here, and one of the Heavyweight Mountains of this era'.

Francis Ngannou has just suffered the worst loss of his combat career 'It does not matter whether he continues to fight in boxing, or mixed martial arts. Ngannou's opponents their perception of him has now been altered'.

Anthony Joshua obliterated Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds 'A fighter who has never been hurt badly, by a punch, kick, elbow, knee. Anthony Joshua has just decimated Ngannou'.

Ngannou's entire aura of intimidation, was that 'He was a supreme athlete, with herculean strength and power that is impregnable to physical attacks'.

Anthony Joshua broke through that aura of intimidation, and he has showed combat athletes that Francis Ngannou is not impregnable or invulnerable to physical attacks'.

In boxing there are different type's of challenges 'There are skill and technical challenge's, and then there are challenges of strength, power and resolve'.

Francis Ngannou was a challenge of strength, power and resolve more than he was a technical challenge 'But still he was a definitively a serious challenge'.

And I believe Joshua does deserve credit for his victory 'Because stylistically, in order for Joshua to fight the way he did. He had to not back down from the danger, and potential brutality. There are many narratives that have been promoted within boxing, which have tried to convinced people that Joshua does not really have the ability to fight gallantly in face of those category and type of challenges'.

Anthony Joshua is facing his battles, he is disproving narratives 'And is somehow, someway finding a way to stay in this battle to see who will be the last man standing from this era' etc.

That is a good post! While Joshua's win over Klitschko was discredited by some due to Wlad's age, Joshua was still somewhat inexperienced, and Klistschko was the best version we had seen of him in a long time. Some people also want to discredit Joshua's win over Ngannou, largely because they believe Francis didn't belong in the ring with him, and they're right about that part. However, Tyson Fury, the lineal and WBC HW champion of the world, gave retired MMA champion Francis Ngannou a shot, and barely beat him. Regardless of Fury not taking Francis seriously from a lifestyle and training perspective, he should not have performed as poorly as he did against him, given his boxing pedigree. Joshua destroyed Ngannou, as the former unified HW champion of the world should have. Yes, his loss to Ruiz was a shocker, but Andy is no bum. He saw an opportunity to make history and he grabbed it. Now in the rematch, Joshua outboxed an under-trained, overweight Ruiz. That's a testament to Anthony's resolve and Andy's inconsistency. The two losses to Usyk while disappointing, are nothing to be ashamed of, as no one has beaten Oleksandr to date. Like him or not, Joshua is still a bad man, and can potentially beat anyone in the division.

[pollywog]

AJ is good, but...

...Parker is better!

[pollywog]

AJ's two losses to Usyk while disappointing, are nothing to be ashamed of...

That meltdown after Usyk schooled him for the second time was shameful and embarrassing.

That truly showed the character of the man ; Entitled Princess Diva.

[SUBZER0ED]

That meltdown after Usyk schooled him for the second time was shameful and embarrassing.

That truly showed the character of the man ; Entitled Princess Diva.

I'm talking about the fights themselves, not the breakdown after the second fight.

[Atypicalbrit]

If Fury beats Usyk, I still must see him against some other guys to make sure he is the best of this generation, because Usyk also doesn`t have some deep resume at hw.

Yet you are also saying Usyk should retire if he beats Fury as he's ATG with nothing left to prove

How dat work?

[Gaydrien Boner]

Yup if AJ connects a powerful punch on fury, he getting knocked out unless fury can box his ears off

[PRINCEKOOL]

That is a good post! While Joshua's win over Klitschko was discredited by some due to Wlad's age, Joshua was still somewhat inexperienced, and Klistschko was the best version we had seen of him in a long time. Some people also want to discredit Joshua's win over Ngannou, largely because they believe Francis didn't belong in the ring with him, and they're right about that part. However, Tyson Fury, the lineal and WBC HW champion of the world, gave retired MMA champion Francis Ngannou a shot, and barely beat him. Regardless of Fury not taking Francis seriously from a lifestyle and training perspective, he should not have performed as poorly as he did against him, given his boxing pedigree. Joshua destroyed Ngannou, as the former unified HW champion of the world should have. Yes, his loss to Ruiz was a shocker, but Andy is no bum. He saw an opportunity to make history and he grabbed it. Now in the rematch, Joshua outboxed an under-trained, overweight Ruiz. That's a testament to Anthony's resolve and Andy's inconsistency. The two losses to Usyk while disappointing, are nothing to be ashamed of, as no one has beaten Oleksandr to date. Like him or not, Joshua is still a bad man, and can potentially beat anyone in the division.

Cheers, thanks.

Wladimir Kiltschko fought Joshua 17 months, after his loss to Fury 'For the duration of those 17 months, he had to endure 3 back to back training camps. Kiltschko never retired, he immediate initiated his rematch clause vs Tyson Fury'.

Wladimir Kiltschko was in better condition for Anthony Joshua, than he was vs Tyson Fury 'Wladimir Kiltschko, is a expect in his field and? He has specifically stated that he was better prepared and in superior condition for Anthony Joshua'.

Anthony Joshua's win over Wladimir Kiltschko, was a more conclusive win than Tyson Fury's 'Joshua beat up and knocked out Kiltschko, in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.

Joshua fought the version of Kiltschko 'Who Tyson Fury, should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

What I mean by this is? The only reason why Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua happened 'Was because Tyson Fury, pulled out of his scheduled rematch with Wladimir Kiltschko twice. Unfortunately due to his circumstance'.

Anthony Joshua fought off Wladimir Kiltschko 'It was Anthony Joshua, who conclusively took the Heavyweight era into a completely new dynasty. Not Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury won one fight vs Wladimir Kiltschko over the distance 'Fury did not beat up, or deck Kiltschko. It was a great win in terms of historically magnitude, but the actual action was? Overrated in my opinion'.

At no point in history, has a Champion of Wladimir Kiltschko's elite greatness been conquered by a 12 round loss 'It was not a conclusive win for Tyson Fury. In terms of? Nobody was calling for Wladimir Kilschko to retire, he loss one fight vs Tyson Fury and now the natural trajectory of this battle was to play out the rematch'.

Wladimir Kiltschko is the last great World Heavyweight Champion 'Kiltschko was a Champion of close to 10 years. That is not the calibre of fighter, that just disappears after losing 1 fight over 12 rounds. A fight were he was not decked or beaten up'.

Wladimir Kiltschko statistically has never lost a rematch 'In my opinion, the competition between Fury and Kiltschko after their first fight? Had now developed into a battle. And the reality of boxing history ? Is that Tyson Fury did not turn up to fight that battle'.

Anthony Joshua in his 19th professional fight 'April 29th 2017, turned up effectively to fight Tyson Fury's battle'.

They are the facts of boxing history 'Everybody knows this, anyone who is honest is very aware of this including hardcore Fury fans'.

Tyson Fury when he beat Wladimir Kiltschko 'Did not conclusively take the Heavyweight Division into a new dynasty'. If anybody studies the history of mankind, or nature itself 'When a empire or dynasty is conquered. Whatever Force has just conquered that Dynasty, stays around'.

That force stays around, to let everybody know? Alright guys, this is now how it is going go be 'This is new Dynasty, and this is how things are going to be from now on'.

And if anyone has got a problem? Then we will have a battle, and you are going to be taken out violently.

Tyson Fury won one fight vs Wladimir Kiltschko 'Fury never went through with the rematch. Tyson Fury disappeared, he did not stay around'.

The Tyson Fury heavyweight reign did not start when he beat Wladimir Kiltschko 'Because unfortunately, due to his circumstance he disappeared'.

It was Anthony Joshua on April 29th 2017 in his 19th professional fight 'Joshua conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into completely new dynasty. Wladimir Kiltschko was beaten up, and knocked out. Kiltschko had the opportunity to initiate a rematch, but he chose not to? Because he understood that a new dynasty had begun. Wladimir Kiltschko therefore retried, after producing great effort in the attempt to win his titles back'.

That is why Anthony Joshua's win over Wladimir Kiltschko is in my opinion, greater than Tyson Fury's 'It was a more conclusive win'.

Note: And as you have pointed out? Joshua's win over Ngannou was a more conclusively win 'Anthony Joshua just like he did all those years ago vs Wladimir Kiltschko. Once again, Joshua has just fought off Tyson Fury's battle'.

Everyone in the boxing World 'Were all in agreement, somebody has got to stop the Francis Ngannou invasion into the sport of boxing'.

A Heavyweight fighter somewhere, has got to step up 'And legitimately beat him for real. Because Tyson Fury was given the decision, he did not win the fight'.

All the statistics of the fight, show that Francis Ngannou beat Tyson Fury 'Ngannou landed the most power punches, inflicted the most damaged and he scored a knock down'.

Anthony Joshua was the man, and fighter who stepped up 'And obliterated totally decimated Francis Ngannou'.

People like to mock Joshua, they put a lot of effort into endorsing certain narratives 'I am not claiming that he is a all time great Heavyweight. I am speaking in perspective of this Heavyweight era'.

And when it comes to this Heavyweight era 'Whenever the thunder has struck, whenever there has been a storm. Lets all be honest? Joshua has not walked away, he has not backed down from his battles. Because that is what Champions do'.

The battle between the top-4 Fighters of this era to be the last man standing, is still on going 'And all I am saying is this? Anthony Joshua is still dangerous'.

One of the Heavyweight Mountains of this era 'Is still here, and still dangerous' etc.