Comments Thread For: Keith Thurman, at 35, Aims for the Big Names - Including Terence Crawford

[IronDanHamza]

Porter was ranked Top 5 when he fought Keith.
From the August 2016 issue of Ring, where the Ratings Package is pages 26-30 showing their rankings "Through fights of April 24th, 2016":
Welter Weights
1. Kell Brook
2. Amir Khan
3. Keith Thurman
4. Shawn Porter
5. Tim Bradley

The link:

https://www.ringtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Aug-2016.pdf

The pertinent images - showing pages 28 & 29

ring 1.jpg ring 2.jpg

Fair enough. Stand corrected on that one.

Khan and Brook #1 and #2 and never fought (until way later) that's the real crime here.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Win or lose to Tszyu, Thurman should move ahead with his aims. Ennis would still want that money fight. Or fight Spence.

Spence dont want to fight him
Spence was pretty clear on that

Spence is still a petulant child still holding on some petty grudges

[Roadblock]

Not sure he was green as grass.

IBF Champion with 4 defenses, two of which over Top 10 guys (one of those Top 5)

I wouldn't consider that green.

I don't think he got too brave either, he didn't stop boxing he just got timed and dropped.

Poor choice of words, not so green in the number of fights but no real competition green, I think his best opponents were Ward and Witter, Ward was done and Witter had 15 fights, Zab was green in that he nearly had KT gone in the first round twice and in the second you could see he was that bit closer having hurt KT in the first round, he was buzzing KT and it made him come closer, If he had of used more range like he started out he may have not got caught like that, KT knew how to grab and hold him when he was out on his feet, I think Zab got a lot smarter after that fight when he started fighting a lot of the top guys which started at Tyszu.

[TheOneAboveAll]

I said he hasn't beaten a Top 5 ranked opponent, which he hasn't.

Danny Garcia was #6 when he beat him. Which was one of the four top 10 ranked fighters he beat.

Danny Garcia was the reigning WBC world champion when he fought Thurman; hence the fact that it was a unification bout. That means he was #1 according to the WBC. Your bogus argument is based on the fact that somebody somewhere was ranking him number six at the time?? Your reasoning is flawed because you’re hell-bent on proving a false narrative.

[IronDanHamza]

Jesus, you’re stubborn or dense beyond words. Danny Garcia was the reigning WBC world champion. That means he was #1 according to the WBC. Your bogus argument is based on the fact that somebody somewhere was ranking him number six at the time?? Your reasoning is flawed because you’re hell-bent on proving a false narrative.

Already told you, not interested in sanctioning body rankings.

He wasn't ranked in the Top 5.

No my argument is based on The Ring Magazine rankings which have been to go-to rankings for over 100 years. I already clarified that.

[Tag, You're Hit]

Fair enough. Stand corrected on that one.

Khan and Brook #1 and #2 and never fought (until way later) that's the real crime here.

True on Khan and Brook. I always favored Brook in the matchup.

But rankings aren't everything as they're fluid. The top guys bounce around within the top 10. Hindsight provides a clearer picture based on how careers played out, who fought who, who beat who, and how close the fights were, etc.

In May 2016 TBRB also had Porter #5. And their archive is WAY easier to use/find and they have every update throughout the year listed: https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive

I think Thurman would have beaten Brook, Bradley, and Khan. But, it's all speculation.

[IronDanHamza]

True on Khan and Brook. I always favored Brook in the matchup.

But rankings aren't everything as they're fluid. The top guys bounce around within the top 10. Hindsight provides a clearer picture based on how careers played out, who fought who, who beat who, and how close the fights were, etc.

In May 2016 TBRB also had Porter #5. And their archive is WAY easier to use/find and they have every update throughout the year listed: https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive

I think Thurman would have beaten Brook, Bradley, and Khan. But, it's all speculation.

Always favoured Brook aswell.

I didn't say they were everything, just making an observation and the rankings are always a good thing to go by.

[Tag, You're Hit]

Always favoured Brook aswell.

I didn't say they were everything, just making an observation and the rankings are always a good thing to go by.

Gotta give you props for staying cordial during our debate. There are too many ******s on this forum that don't know how to do that.

[kiaba360]

True on Khan and Brook. I always favored Brook in the matchup.

But rankings aren't everything as they're fluid. The top guys bounce around within the top 10. Hindsight provides a clearer picture based on how careers played out, who fought who, who beat who, and how close the fights were, etc.

In May 2016 TBRB also had Porter #5. And their archive is WAY easier to use/find and they have every update throughout the year listed: https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive

I think Thurman would have beaten Brook, Bradley, and Khan. But, it's all speculation.

Porter was in The Ring's top 6 from 2013-2020, and he was #3 in '16 and '17. Porter was pretty consistent. I think Boxing would benefit from more fighters like Porter.

[Tag, You're Hit]

Porter was in The Ring's top 6 from 2013-2020, and he was #3 in '16 and '17. Porter was pretty consistent.

And rightfully so. He was always competitive. Even in the Crawford fight before his dad threw in the towel too early. Shawn fought almost everybody from his era.