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  • Originally posted by Haka View Post

    If they say themselves say that the Marg fight was dangerous then the Cotto fight would be even more.
    Marg was bigger than Cotto and was pulled out of exile when Uri Forman would not accept a CW form Manny, and ironically Marg was the same size as Foreman, and then we have that he didn't beat a better version of Marg previously as with Cotto, so what could be the reason you think a slower older Cotto could be a bigger risk.

    When Manny was weighing at 130 what was his fight night weight do you know?

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    • Originally posted by Haka View Post

      They cut weight from a their walk around weight. Cotta at 154 walked around weight much higher than at 147.
      You mean like Manny at WW doesn't cut what he did at 130 ?

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      • Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

        Marg was bigger than Cotto and was pulled out of exile when Uri Forman would not accept a CW form Manny, and ironically Marg was the same size as Foreman, and then we have that he didn't beat a better version of Marg previously as with Cotto, so what could be the reason you think a slower older Cotto could be a bigger risk.

        When Manny was weighing at 130 what was his fight night weight do you know?
        Cotto is a good fighter but Tim Tsyu is probably at that level, probably higher already. Manny came from 130 in a massive run up. I don't know what would've happened at 154, he was a beast in his early 30s.
        Last edited by Haka; 03-01-2024, 06:08 AM.

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        • Originally posted by Haka View Post

          Cotto is a good fighter but Tim Tsyu is probably at that level. Manny came from 130 in a massive run up. I don't know what would've happened at 154, he was a beast in his early 30s.
          Tim is nowhere near the boxing ability of Cotto, but anyway Manny was 144 fight night with a 130 weighin, and was 145 at WW , the list of Guys that move up all these weight don't really, they are the same fight night weight in the higher division, where Mannys management got real smart was knowing that top tier fighters don't have pounds to spare they know they are close to their limits not all but most, now by CWing Oscar and Cotto he took advantage two ways, the Ist he doesn't have to dry out to make weight so he will be as strong as he can be at the weight, and if he can push the opponent over the edge just a little it has a double effect, its magic how as soon as guys were not CWed he could stop anybody, everybody was calling PEDS especially after turning down the biggest fight in history over Ped testing as Roach admitted, but I don't believe there was Peds, I believe it was the CWs draining guys that made the difference, which is why he wanted nothing to do with Cotto unless there was a CW, what is it stating when the only way you will fight a guy is with a CW.

          Whats your take on the Mosley situation, I can prove all the following but you can go search it if you like, we have Mosley calling out Manny big time, even begging at 142, Roach said no, Mosley said but you allowed Cotto 145 and Roach answered your not Cotto, referencing where Roach said Cotto was damaged goods, but back to Mosley, so this fight is no go, then it all changed after Mosley fights and loses to Floyd, then Mosley fights a draw with Mora, then Manny says ok I will fight you now weight doesn't matter, what do you make of all that?

          Have you noticed that during Mannys run , that his biggest wins were Oscar Cotto and Hatton, are you aware of Oscar had not made 147 in 13 years going up as far as MW, and that Manny outweighed him on fight night, you've got to know Oscar was severely drained in that fight gaining only 2lbs from weighin don't you ?, Cotto was also at a weight disadvantage just not near as bad as Oscar and the Cotto fight was after 2 give me C graders fights away from a beating that can ruin careers ( Roachs Damaged Goods line), and with Hatton he was just of his big loss to Floyd looked like sht against a cab driver and Pauli , he also had a ******* habit, lost his wife and family, tried to commit suicide and to top it of sacked life long trainer and friend Billy Graham and hired Floyd senor which clearly shows Hattons state of mind, his book is very interesting you should read it.

          Im turning in for now, at least you have a go at answering even if you make no logical sense at all, will see where its at tomorrow.

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          • Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

            So are you saying your agenda is to leave out the pieces that prove you wrong, do you realize a conversation flows about a subject and is not handcuffed by your out of context thinking, I would love to be in a room with you and the few other re-tards in the thread, I would have the biggest laugh of my life.

            Manny fans are so female.
            no my agenda is what the TS posted on the first page.. "in 2012".... you decided to go off topic and expect US to follow it... the female trait here is YOU.. going off topic.. typical female when getting into an argument.
            Last edited by IceTrayDaGang; 03-01-2024, 09:09 AM.

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            • This thread was written with a limp wrist.

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              • Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

                Tim is nowhere near the boxing ability of Cotto, but anyway Manny was 144 fight night with a 130 weighin, and was 145 at WW , the list of Guys that move up all these weight don't really, they are the same fight night weight in the higher division, where Mannys management got real smart was knowing that top tier fighters don't have pounds to spare they know they are close to their limits not all but most, now by CWing Oscar and Cotto he took advantage two ways, the Ist he doesn't have to dry out to make weight so he will be as strong as he can be at the weight, and if he can push the opponent over the edge just a little it has a double effect, its magic how as soon as guys were not CWed he could stop anybody, everybody was calling PEDS especially after turning down the biggest fight in history over Ped testing as Roach admitted, but I don't believe there was Peds, I believe it was the CWs draining guys that made the difference, which is why he wanted nothing to do with Cotto unless there was a CW, what is it stating when the only way you will fight a guy is with a CW.

                Whats your take on the Mosley situation, I can prove all the following but you can go search it if you like, we have Mosley calling out Manny big time, even begging at 142, Roach said no, Mosley said but you allowed Cotto 145 and Roach answered your not Cotto, referencing where Roach said Cotto was damaged goods, but back to Mosley, so this fight is no go, then it all changed after Mosley fights and loses to Floyd, then Mosley fights a draw with Mora, then Manny says ok I will fight you now weight doesn't matter, what do you make of all that?

                Have you noticed that during Mannys run , that his biggest wins were Oscar Cotto and Hatton, are you aware of Oscar had not made 147 in 13 years going up as far as MW, and that Manny outweighed him on fight night, you've got to know Oscar was severely drained in that fight gaining only 2lbs from weighin don't you ?, Cotto was also at a weight disadvantage just not near as bad as Oscar and the Cotto fight was after 2 give me C graders fights away from a beating that can ruin careers ( Roachs Damaged Goods line), and with Hatton he was just of his big loss to Floyd looked like sht against a cab driver and Pauli , he also had a ******* habit, lost his wife and family, tried to commit suicide and to top it of sacked life long trainer and friend Billy Graham and hired Floyd senor which clearly shows Hattons state of mind, his book is very interesting you should read it.

                Im turning in for now, at least you have a go at answering even if you make no logical sense at all, will see where its at tomorrow.
                - - U dumping in l’l floydy BIGBOYS again…priceless!!!

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                • Originally posted by IceTrayDaGang View Post

                  no my agenda is what the TS posted on the first page.. "in 2012".... you decided to go off topic and expect US to follow it... the female trait here is YOU.. going off topic.. typical female when getting into an argument.
                  Its the same subject wtf is off topic lol, makes me laugh when fools like try and set up some sort of posting rule to suit your agenda in a forum lol. If only you would follow your own rules.

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                  • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                    - - U dumping in l’l floydy BIGBOYS again…priceless!!!
                    Your comprehension is as bad as it always was, I take it English is not your first language.

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                    • Originally posted by IceTrayDaGang View Post

                      no my agenda is what the TS posted on the first page.. "in 2012".... you decided to go off topic and expect US to follow it... the female trait here is YOU.. going off topic.. typical female when getting into an argument.
                      facts...........

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