Cotto's Trainer Says Sparring is Key To Beat Pacquiao

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  • Gabilan
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    #41
    Originally posted by El GAto
    You damn right I'm giving the best emmulation of pac-man and believe I can throw punches the fight with Emmanuel Augustus I threw 829 punches in only 8 rds. I'm throwing punches from all angles shoot I even make up my own physic of law lolol but seriously Im doing the best I can to make this fight happen ffor our ppl and for his fans. I'm also doing this for a man who is paying me to be the best I can be in that ring!!!

    I would like to add that I'm also preparing myself for my fight on Nov 4 on ESPN2 vs Rashed Holloway

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      #42
      Originally posted by Beater_of_ass
      I'm not sure where you got this notion that Manny is even able to box well. Manny is a 100% pure offensive fighter, his defense is simply throwing punches back. There's nothing wrong with that at all, he's one of my favorite fighters, but he fights FAR worse going backward than he fights coming forward. Cotto doesn't fight backwards as well as he does forward either, however, he isn't terrible fighting backwards. He gave Margarito a boxing lesson for 6 rounds, and even assuming there was no foul play on Marg's part, he just can't do it for 12 rounds. But against Manny he won't need to be, he'll be the far bigger man this fight unlike he was against Marg and Clottey.

      I see a few problems for both guys in this fight which is why it is so intriguing. For Manny, he drops his right when he throws that left not when he's in control, but when he's "fighting back" he gets wild as we saw in the Hatton fight and everything before the DLH fight. Sure, he didn't do it during the DLH fight but he was in total control for the entire fight, while the 2nd round of the Hatton I saw him revert to the warrior in him. He'll never rid himself of it because that's what makes him Manny. However, in this fight its a bad thing IMO. If he gets into even an occassional slugfest with Cotto, I think it spells disaster. It might not be a KO, but it will allow Cotto to get some punches to the body and wear Manny down. Along with the warrior in him and dropping his right, the third thing I feel Manny's weakness in this fight is Cotto's jab. When Manny throws that left, he also ducks his head down and he is VERY open to a jab, if Cotto's able to land that then I see problems for Manny.

      However, this is not going to be a push over for Cotto as he has flaws as well. These can all be summed up with a few simple questions:

      Will Cotto's stamina hold up?
      Will that cut be completely healed?
      Will the weight affect Cotto?
      Will Cotto be able to handle Manny's speed?
      Is the Margarito fight really behind Cotto?

      Essentially there's A LOT of questions about Cotto, he's very susceptible in this fight. However, Cotto also has some things in his favor. Most importantly he'll be the bigger fighter in this fight, people have said he retreats too much now, but he has been in there against guys that are coming in at 170 in Clottey and Marg about 165. Cotto was giving up as much weight as Manny very well may be, and he suffered a horrific cut. Not to mention people for some reason were expecting Cotto to run all over Clottey for some reason... this is a guy who was never even knocked down in his career and also a guy who was coming in at what Pavlik comes in on/around on fight night, this was a big guy. With Marg... he may have had loaded gloves, if a guy is literally fighting you with a cast on his hand essentially... that is going to takes it toll.

      With that this is quite possibly the most important fight of both of these guys careers. For Cotto it most certainly is, for Manny... the DLH fight may have been more important for his career, while I think this fight will solidify his legacy. He beat a man Mayweather hadn't faced, he won his 7th title and he would have beaten a legitimate WW. So many questions and things at stake in this fight, this is going to be a ATG fight IMO.
      Co-sign. Very informed post bro.

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      • taino78
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        #43
        Originally posted by elytwo10
        I sure hope Calderon isn't in the picture. I am not sure how effective Santiago's training regime is on Cotto, It was hard to tell with the Clottey fight. Regardless I got Cotto tko11
        i hear this time and time again. the trainer is not the one fighting. u can give instructions all u want in the corner or training but the fighter is always gonna do what they want. like when floyd sr was tellin fatton to move his head did he do it no. even roach was saying in an interview that he dont like manny playing basketball but he does anyway. bottomline cotto been training himself even with his uncle does he listen to santiago who knows.

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        • CottoKOsPacman
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          #44
          Originally posted by SekondzOut
          its not easy to find sparring partners to play Pac.....Calderon and Zab maybe.....but who else is out there that can go at Cotto like Manny is going to go at him?!?.....release the names for gods sake!!! .....I still got the Boricua ****er by stoppage......too big!!
          it really is hard to find someone like manny but if i was cotto's trainer i would have brought in edwin valero. hes lefty,busy who throws alot of punches in different angles, & has mad power. has an impressive record of 25 wins with 25 KO's & 19 of those KO's came in the first round. hes the current wbc lightweight champion & just got into some legal problems back in venezuela(person of interest on a murder investigation)as he threaten someone who later turned up dead,so i wouldnt know if he'd be willing or available. but he gave oscar alot of problems in puerto rico when oscar was training for manny. infact the word was that calderon & valero both dominated oscar in sparring sessions & valero even gave oscar a black eye. so to me if cotto could get use to a guy like valero & even dominate on a better consistant basis than oscar did, he would have a big camp advantage....me personaly i dont see the sparring as the key to this fight....strategy will be the key....a good jab with timing to offset the speed,assuming the role of backing pac up instead of the other way around,& driving pac into the ropes with alot of body work all while keeping as tight a defense as he possibly can considering the barrage of punches pac will throw. but to me the fight will be determined in the first round when we will see if pac can take a good hard shot from cotto. if pac gets rocked early i feel that will set up the rest of the game plan. he needs to get pacs respect early...which im sure he will.....cotto by late KO
          Last edited by CottoKOsPacman; 10-10-2009, 08:18 PM.

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          • jetgeomcx
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            #45
            Originally posted by prsi
            Very well said,
            As a Cotto fan, that is one of my biggest concerns, I totally agree with you.
            Pacman has a huge advantage in that aspect with Freddie Roach.
            As a matter a fact, I beleive you were humble on Cotto's corners ratings. LOL.

            Cotto my rely on his own knowledge skills and experience more than what his corner would probably help him. Pacman won't have that problem.
            cotto has proven to make good adjestments in his fyts.
            could it be on his own and/or with the help of his corner.
            the coach is the third eye of the fyter.
            he sees from afar and make suggestions on how to go about the fyt.

            cotto is now with a different coach.
            rapport and chemistry is very important between them.
            mis/communication is pivotal.
            will cotto trust his new coach and listen to all he says??
            cotto's corner rating......hmmm

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            • urduja2k5
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              #46
              The bigger they are the harder they fall!

              The game is boxing folks, its durability, power, and stamina. I have seen Cotto and Judah fight. Judah was beating cotto to the punch, the only thing is that judah could not sustain it. Its different with the pac monster, he has stamina and the ability to maintain the pressure to the last round. I predict cotto will be knock down on the 6th round by an upper cut to the chin by pacs left hand. This always cottos vulnerable angle coming in for a body punch his trademark. Ive seen him hit many times by judah, but judah just aint got the power like the pac monster. so there, I laid down the scene. Hope you remember that!!!

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              • baracuda
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                #47
                Originally posted by boricuarn
                Any brave fans would like to bet 1,500 points against me?
                thats really too brave of you man!......i would'nt bet 1,500 for ****...lol

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                • jetgeomcx
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by GRUSTLER
                  The problem with Cotto is that he has always depended on his
                  power more so than his skills and that's why he hasn't improved
                  much in these past years. Cotto needs a technical game plan to
                  coincide with his power. I have always said that once you take
                  Cotto punch away,
                  the fight becomes very difficult for him to
                  control at his pace and then he winds up fighting his opponents
                  fight on his back foot which is not his strongest attribute fighting
                  on the defensive. He needs to study Manny's fight tapes and figure
                  out how he can neuralize his most important and effective strength
                  and that is his speed.
                  it is easy for manny to take cotto's punch away.
                  cotto may look not that slow against other fast fyters,...
                  but he will look too slow with manny in the ring.
                  cotto will be spinned around....looking awkward as he chase manny.

                  for cotto to neutralize pac's speed...... not easy!

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                  • jetgeomcx
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by GRUSTLER
                    Cotto will have to be everywhere Manny is going to be before Manny even gets there to stop Manny's speed and movement.
                    The key for him is to cut the ring off and keep Manny in one
                    spot from time to time and **** on him. If Cotto can get one
                    good solid body punch
                    on lil Manny then I'm sure that the fight
                    will change. Watch the size difference when their both in the
                    ring come November 14th. Cotto should be able to beat Manny.
                    If he loses then for sure Manny gets full props and Cotto will
                    need to get a new corner and team.
                    anticipation.....cotto will have those chances for sure.
                    but he must be able to throw quick combos to be able to hurt manny.
                    pac will not trade for sure,...he will step out at once.

                    manny has been toughening his body and abs during camps.
                    he lets his sparmates **** him in the body while leaning on the ropes.
                    porter, antillon and holloway before had their share.
                    and they all ****** away hoping to get $1000 extra just to floor manny.
                    manny is tougher in the body than in the chin.

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                    • jetgeomcx
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by GRUSTLER
                      Cotto does tuck his chin in but his guard is still wide open and that's why everyone always gets through and hits
                      him cleanly often.
                      That's why I always been iffy about
                      Cotto because his defense and technical abilities in the
                      ring stagnates his progress sometimes against adversity.
                      Margarito should have been a win for him if Cotto could
                      have figured out how to get to his body.
                      pac's ryt and left crosse will do the damage.

                      Originally posted by odogg8121
                      I think Cotto wins if he can avoid cuts. If you watch Cotto he paws at all his cuts all the time Manny is to fast for him to do that, and when manny sees the blood he will attack the cuts. If that happens the fight will be tko cuz of the cut. If Cotto avoids a bad cut then he will when the fight......in round 10 on and left hook body and head shot.....wat do u think?
                      cotto will surely gets cut.
                      lately cotto cuts a lot, how mauch more against manny.
                      pac's punches are crispy, swiping leather on miguels face will surely cut.

                      Originally posted by GRUSTLER
                      I think if Cotto cuts the ring off as good as he did with Judah and applies a good defensive game plan against Manny then
                      he ends the fight in 7rds. If Cotto is the same Cotto and hasn't
                      applied any technical game plan while fighting, then he could be
                      in for a long night
                      .
                      there was no big improvement on cotto in this department.
                      i would say cotto will have a short nyt out....he won't last!

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