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Canelo Alvarez on How Dmitry Bivol's Power Stacks Up on Out of All the Hardest Punchers Fighters He Ever Faced in His Career: "He Punches as Hard as Golovkin!"

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  • #31
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

    Skill for skill, Cotto & Mosley are clearly superior fighters to Bivol 'Their actual boxing skills, and power relative to their weight class'.

    Alvarez fought all of his best fighters, in the Welter Weight Division.

    Note: When James Toney moved up into the Heavyweight division, he continually reminded people 'That he had fought better fighters, than all of these Heavyweights that he would be competing against. Toney was fighting bigger fighters, but they were not better pure fighters'.

    The weight difference between Alvarez and Bivol was nothing much 'I estimate, that Bivol may have only been 4-6 pounds Heavier on fight night'.

    But I would honestly would not be surprised if Alvarez was heavier than Bivol on fight night 'It is all speculation'.

    I am well aware that Alvarez did not lose his fight vs Bivol 'Due to the difference in weight'. Bivol stylistically skill for skill, is a extremely challenging fight for Alvarez.

    Movement, Gears, Athleticism, Solid Fundamentals, Endurance, Work-rate 'Those are all the attributes, that Alvarez have always been a stylistic challenge for him'.

    I believe that Beterbiev stylistically, is a easier fight for Alvarez to prepare for than Bivol etc.


    Maybe those version of Cotto and Mosley aren't the best example, they were already past it. GGG would be a better example and Canelo did very well against him so you may be as well right.
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    • #32
      Bivol throws arm punches and its his style it conserves energy. His jab is very stiff though, I would expect it to be harder than GGG's jab due to their size difference.

      GGG probably punches harder in some ways, when he is sitting down on a power shot but Bivol should have more effortless power, if they are both throwing an arm punch then Bivol will hit harder due to the size difference. And of course head to head bivol has an easy night with GGG. There is a reason GGG never moved up except to fight former middleweights at 160+ which is just avoiding weight cuts for him.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

        Skill for skill, Cotto & Mosley are clearly superior fighters to Bivol 'Their actual boxing skills, and power relative to their weight class'.

        Alvarez fought all of his best fighters, in the Welter Weight Division.

        Note: When James Toney moved up into the Heavyweight division, he continually reminded people 'That he had fought better fighters, than all of these Heavyweights that he would be competing against. Toney was fighting bigger fighters, but they were not better pure fighters'.

        The weight difference between Alvarez and Bivol was nothing much 'I estimate, that Bivol may have only been 4-6 pounds Heavier on fight night'.

        But I would honestly would not be surprised if Alvarez was heavier than Bivol on fight night 'It is all speculation'.

        I am well aware that Alvarez did not lose his fight vs Bivol 'Due to the difference in weight'. Bivol stylistically skill for skill, is a extremely challenging fight for Alvarez.

        Movement, Gears, Athleticism, Solid Fundamentals, Endurance, Work-rate 'Those are all the attributes, that Alvarez have always been a stylistic challenge for him'.

        I believe that Beterbiev stylistically, is a easier fight for Alvarez to prepare for than Bivol etc.




        I think Bivol is in the same ballpark with mosley and cotto as far as we can tell. The bigger difference is those guys had better available competition than Bivol and we also seen them carry their power up several weight classes. Bivol at cruiserweight would be pretty underpowered and the 175 division just doesnt have many skilled guys to ever push bivol.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by garfios View Post
          Are you referring to Charlo? Because when ginger was fighting at 155 he used to come in at 171-177 pounds, and he was 10 years younger. Are you not one of his fans that after kovalev suggested he should fight usyk at a catchweight? That he would mop the floor with him. He ain't small for 168 nor 175, he's just a bully that pick up on the wrong guy. It was skills that won that fight, not weight.
          Nah, I was talking about GGG; I rate them, but I am not really a fan; like I've said many times, I look at them like racehorses from a performance perspective I don't care about personality or what they do outside of a ring. I thought Canelo talking Ursk was ridiculous. Any guy that comes from 147 is going to be a small 168 fighter compared with a guy that's a natural 168, most 168/175 guys are 6 ft and over, be the same as saying Manny was a small WW or TC will be a small 168, its just how it is.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer View Post

            Beterbiev knocks Canelo`s brain out and you know that.

            I don`t care how great fighters Mosley, Mayweather, Cotto were...they have always been small fighters for our discussion.

            Canelo is now a 168 guy that fought at 175 twice. Fighting these midgets is his history way back.
            The fight would in my opinion, be fought on the inside.

            Alvarez's best attribute's, are his inside game 'And his defense while on the offensive'.

            It is stylistically a easier fight for Alvarez to prepare for than Bivol.

            Note: For Alvarez to win vs Beterbiev, he would have to out endure Beterbiev 'Both fighters will be getting whacked, whichever fighter can endure's their opponents power the most will win'.

            Beterbiev is the favourite for that match up 'But it is clearly stylistically, not a stylistically difficult fight for Alvarez to prepare for'.

            Beterbiev as a fighter is straight up Alvarez's street etc.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

              Nah, I was talking about GGG; I rate them, but I am not really a fan; like I've said many times, I look at them like racehorses from a performance perspective I don't care about personality or what they do outside of a ring. I thought Canelo talking Ursk was ridiculous. Any guy that comes from 147 is going to be a small 168 fighter compared with a guy that's a natural 168, most 168/175 guys are 6 ft and over, be the same as saying Manny was a small WW or TC will be a small 168, its just how it is.
              Well, it depends on how old you were when you fought at 147, and for how long you did. In canelo's case, he debuted at 15+, 2 years and 10 months later he fought for the WBA regional belt and didn't make the 147 limits, he showed up that night at 150 pounds, and then for a few more fights in Mexico he makes the weight but once he started to fight in American soil, the 147 division was too small for him, and he was 19 yo. I guess that he couldn't make 147 since he was 17/18 years old and for some of those weight ins, you have to take it with a grain of salt. We all know he rehydrated well over the 170+ in his early 20's, he wouldn't be the first 5'8" or 5'7" boxer to fight at a higher weight than the height would suggest, he is a thick and broad young man build like a small but strong bull.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Haka View Post

                Maybe those version of Cotto and Mosley aren't the best example, they were already past it. GGG would be a better example and Canelo did very well against him so you may be as well right.
                ggg was on the decline when they fought the first time, and he won the fight, pretty sure this was about the time canelo got suspended for illegal substance.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post

                  The fight would in my opinion, be fought on the inside.

                  Alvarez's best attribute's, are his inside game 'And his defense while on the offensive'.

                  It is stylistically a easier fight for Alvarez to prepare for than Bivol.

                  Note: For Alvarez to win vs Beterbiev, he would have to out endure Beterbiev 'Both fighters will be getting whacked, whichever fighter can endure's their opponents power the most will win'.

                  Beterbiev is the favourite for that match up 'But it is clearly stylistically, not a stylistically difficult fight for Alvarez to prepare for'.

                  Beterbiev as a fighter is straight up Alvarez's street etc.
                  You really think Canelo is better and stronger inside fighter than Beterbiev, are you serious, Beterbiev destroys the kid

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                  • #39
                    Beterbiev puts Canelo in the hospital. It would be ugly. Imagine tired Canelo on the ropes fighting Beterbiev..
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                    • #40
                      Standard talk, all the fighters do it. If you get beaten or have a close fight against someone, you can talk about how great they are to make yourself look better. A lot of these guys do it.

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