Canelo Alvarez on How Dmitry Bivol's Power Stacks Up on Out of All the Hardest Punchers Fighters He Ever Faced in His Career: "He Punches as Hard as Golovkin!"

[MulaKO]

If youre in great shape a hard shot is not so hard, if your in poor shape fighting a bigger man its going to feel harder, there have been a lot of punch power comparisons that have fans blowing a gasket, such as Oscar saying Manny and Floyd punch about the same, drained against Manny 154 against Floyd, Mosley said Floyd and Canelos punches felt about the same fought both at 147.

This stuff is not black and white as fans think, you can take a punch today that tomorrow might take you out, has to do with circadian rhythms, metabolism, hydration, sleep and mood etc etc these unseen things are changing all the time and affect how we feel, we all have good and bad feeling days and so do athletes.

I’ve actually read some stuff on this
My reasoning behind what I said is from interviews of sparring partners and his record
Now , this doesn’t mean he don’t punch hard or anything of that sort but just that he’s more of a accumulator puncher than one punch
If you view his fights , he’s always a fighter that had to accumulate punches to actually get the ko or the knockdown
Obviously this is not scientific thinking but I wouldn’t lay it to far from the truth

[Roadblock]

I’ve actually read some stuff on this
My reasoning behind what I said is from interviews of sparring partners and his record
Now , this doesn’t mean he don’t punch hard or anything of that sort but just that he’s more of a accumulator puncher than one punch
If you view his fights , he’s always a fighter that had to accumulate punches to actually get the ko or the knockdown
Obviously this is not scientific thinking but I wouldn’t lay it to far from the truth

Yeah true, I was just pointing out that a 175 guy should feel a harder puncher than a 160 guy would for Canelo who came from 147, plus Canelo was not as primed at 175 as he was at 160 that would come into it as well amongst other things, ask these guys right after they fight them would be the best time to ask.

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Yeah true, I was just pointing out that a 175 guy should feel a harder puncher than a 160 guy would

all else equal, sure, but you're talking about a 160 KO artist who pretty much everybody said has massive power for his class vs. a 175 definitely not a KO artist

[Haka]

Golovkin, and a underprepared Kovalev i.e Forced to take the fight at short notice.

Those are the two most powerful puncher's Alvarez has fought.

Miguel Cotto, Sugar Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather Junior 'They are the best overall offensive fighters Alvarez has fought'.

Note: I would actually say fighters like Cotto, Mosely and Mayweather Junior are still the best fighters skill for skill by far Alvarez has fought. Since Alvarez left the Welterweight divisions, he has fought fighters who were bigger fights 'But they were not greater fighters'.

I believe it is a wise decision for Alvarez to now? Solidify his conditioning at 168 pounds 'All the yo yoing up and down the weight classes, in my opinion has never been good for his overall form' etc.

You are referring to P4P match ups. In this case a 154 Bivol that is even faster. I don't know if Cotto/Mosley would be up for the task, skill by skill. The fight at 175 was objectively a 12-0 shutout. From what I remembered Canelo did not like being there anymore after round 2. Also Bivol is a small LHW that can make the cut to SMW but can't get any fights this way.

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all else equal, sure, but you're talking about a 160 KO artist who pretty much everybody said has massive power for his class vs. a 175 definitely not a KO artist

Still 2 weightclasses higher make a lot of difference how much so is a guess without testing it, and from Canelos perspective I can see how he would say it because he was not in his best condition and on the losing end that can make it feel worse, I think if GGG was 175 he would hit way harder than Bivol, probably not a whole lot away from it even as a MW.

[Roadblock]

You are referring to P4P match ups. In this case a 154 Bivol that is even faster. I don't know if Cotto/Mosley would be up for the task, skill by skill. The fight at 175 was objectively a 12-0 shutout. From what I remembered Canelo did not like being there anymore after round 2. Also Bivol is a small LHW that can make the cut to SMW but can't get any fights this way.

In 21 Bivol said he can make 168 in 22 he said he cant, he is not a small 175 pounder, about average, Beterbiev is smaller than Bivol and Canelo is way smaller than Bivol, I don't think the level of skill/power boxing in the LH division is as complete as it was in the guys you mentioned, and they came from 135/140, its just a different pace, more explosive, I don't class Bivols opponents anywhere near the guys Mosley and Cotto fought in a skillset or power to weight, the smaller guys are better all round fighters.

[Haka]

In 21 Bivol said he can make 168 in 22 he said he cant, he is not a small 175 pounder, about average, Beterbiev is smaller than Bivol and Canelo is way smaller than Bivol, I don't think the level of skill/power boxing in the LH division is as complete as it was in the guys you mentioned, and they came from 135/140, its just a different pace, more explosive, I don't class Bivols opponents anywhere near the guys Mosley and Cotto fought in a skillset or power to weight, the smaller guys are better all round fighters.

Bivol has elaborate amateur credentials, at least on par with them. Also they were both at the end of their career when Canelo fought them, speed/reflexes/mentality turned down a notch or two. The perfected iron-ed out Eastbloc style that Bivol implements is hard to deal with.

I believe Bivol can make the cut to 168 on special occasions. Same way those MMA guys do it, it's just that he does not bother to make a career out of it by torturing himself fight after fight, since his style is not that attractive and can't get any fights because no-one wants to fight him, and is established as a 175er already.

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You are referring to P4P match ups. In this case a 154 Bivol that is even faster. I don't know if Cotto/Mosley would be up for the task, skill by skill. The fight at 175 was objectively a 12-0 shutout. From what I remembered Canelo did not like being there anymore after round 2. Also Bivol is a small LHW that can make the cut to SMW but can't get any fights this way.

Skill for skill, Cotto & Mosley are clearly superior fighters to Bivol 'Their actual boxing skills, and power relative to their weight class'.

Alvarez fought all of his best fighters, in the Welter Weight Division.

Note: When James Toney moved up into the Heavyweight division, he continually reminded people 'That he had fought better fighters, than all of these Heavyweights that he would be competing against. Toney was fighting bigger fighters, but they were not better pure fighters'.

The weight difference between Alvarez and Bivol was nothing much 'I estimate, that Bivol may have only been 4-6 pounds Heavier on fight night'.

But I honestly would not be surprised if Alvarez was heavier than Bivol on fight night 'It is all speculation'.

I am well aware that Alvarez did not lose his fight vs Bivol 'Due to the difference in weight'. Bivol stylistically skill for skill, is a extremely challenging fight for Alvarez.

Movement, Gears, Athleticism, Solid Fundamentals, Endurance, Work-rate 'Those are all the attributes, that Alvarez have always been a stylistic challenge for him'.

I believe that Beterbiev stylistically, is a easier fight for Alvarez to prepare for than Bivol etc.

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If youre in great shape a hard shot is not so hard, if your in poor shape fighting a bigger man its going to feel harder, there have been a lot of punch power comparisons that have fans blowing a gasket, such as Oscar saying Manny and Floyd punch about the same, drained against Manny 154 against Floyd, Mosley said Floyd and Canelos punches felt about the same fought both at 147.

This stuff is not black and white as fans think, you can take a punch today that tomorrow might take you out, has to do with circadian rhythms, metabolism, hydration, sleep and mood etc etc these unseen things are changing all the time and affect how we feel, we all have good and bad feeling days and so do athletes.

Also, Canelo was 21 years old at the time he fought Mosley and was skinny as hell at 147. He’s filled out to his natural weight at 168 and gained his man strength. No wonder he’s hitting a lot harder.

[Superbee]

So... A 175 guy hits as hard as a 160 guy ? Well that's a shocker ... Wonder what Ginger would say after Artur lit his chin...