3 Reasons Francis should actually be favored over AJ

[Roadblock]

So we've gone from it being speculation that getting kicked in the head is worse than getting punched in the head with a boxing glove, to it being speculation that 270+lb Ngannou who extensively trains grappling is stronger than Anthony Joshua? lol Jesus....

So you have no answer to the physics involved, how did Mayweather out wrestle Connor and walk him down, how could Connor not put a dent in a Boxer 20lbs lighter how did that happen?

Boxing is boxing MMA is MMA it doesn't convert as cleanly as you think it does.

[Roadblock]

I get that but you were casting doubt on whether Ngannou was stronger than AJ, it seems pretty open and shut to me. He would ****ing ragdoll Joshua in any situation that required pure strength.

In pure strength, that is the key, its not about pure strength its not a tug of war its boxing, and in a boxing ring AJ can be stronger than Francis, not saying he will be but its very much reality that many weaker pure strength guys are stronger in combat.

[BodyBagz]

I get that but you were casting doubt on whether Ngannou was stronger than AJ, it seems pretty open and shut to me. He would ****ing ragdoll Joshua in any situation that required pure strength.

If only boxing allowed such use for this strength.

[TMLT87]

So you have no answer to the physics involved, how did Mayweather out wrestle Connor and walk him down, how could Connor not put a dent in a Boxer 20lbs lighter how did that happen?

Boxing is boxing MMA is MMA it doesn't convert as cleanly as you think it does.

How many people put a dent in Floyd? its not exactly a common occurance is it? as far as Floyd outwrestling him, i'm just flicking through the fight quickly now to see all the clinch exchanges and other than a couple of times where he got his forearm in Conors face late in the fight when Conor was gassed as **** to keep distance i'm not seeing it tbh. A lot of the clinches are basically Floyd cowering away and waiting for the ref while Conor slips behind him and tries to throw a few cheap shots.

That fight in general was a bad look imo. Floyd is one of the p4p best boxers of all time, but he dropped rounds to Conor, took 10 rounds to "stop" him and even that was a standing stoppage over a badly gassed Conor who is known for his poor gas tank and how he wilts later in fights. Floyd was unable to put him on the canvas even in that compromised state.

In pure strength, that is the key, its not about pure strength its not a tug of war its boxing, and in a boxing ring AJ can be stronger than Francis, not saying he will be but its very much reality that many weaker pure strength guys are stronger in combat.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. In a pure striking competition with limited clinching that kind of strength isnt as big of a factor, although there is some degree of crossover between mass and strength and punching power. And its not like Ngannou is some big slow bodybuilder, hes athletic as well.

I think AJ is a bit of a paper tiger in some ways. He looks the part but in practice how often has he actually steamrolled and mandhandled people? especially people who are big strong powerful athletic monsters themselves. People talk like he was a killer before Ruiz ruined him but was he really? even then he had the fight of his life with a 42 year old and was put on his arse in the process, took half an hour to get Carlos Takam out of there, took 20 mins each with Breazele, Shyte and old Povetkin and two of them had him hurt. The only fight I can recall where he did a proper fast demolition job on a big strong physical prime guy with a bit of ability was the Charles Martin fight.

[Roadblock]

How many people put a dent in Floyd? its not exactly a common occurance is it? as far as Floyd outwrestling him, i'm just flicking through the fight quickly now to see all the clinch exchanges and other than a couple of times where he got his forearm in Conors face late in the fight when Conor was gassed as **** to keep distance i'm not seeing it tbh. A lot of the clinches are basically Floyd cowering away and waiting for the ref while Conor slips behind him and tries to throw a few cheap shots.

That fight in general was a bad look imo. Floyd is one of the p4p best boxers of all time, but he dropped rounds to Conor, took 10 rounds to "stop" him and even that was a standing stoppage over a badly gassed Conor who is known for his poor gas tank and how he wilts later in fights. Floyd was unable to put him on the canvas even in that compromised state.



I'm not disagreeing with you on that. In a pure striking competition with limited clinching that kind of strength isnt as big of a factor, although there is some degree of crossover between mass and strength and punching power. And its not like Ngannou is some big slow bodybuilder, hes athletic as well.

I think AJ is a bit of a paper tiger in some ways. He looks the part but in practice how often has he actually steamrolled and mandhandled people? especially people who are big strong powerful athletic monsters themselves. People talk like he was a killer before Ruiz ruined him but was he really? even then he had the fight of his life with a 42 year old and was put on his arse in the process, took half an hour to get Carlos Takam out of there, took 20 mins each with Breazele, Shyte and old Povetkin and two of them had him hurt. The only fight I can recall where he did a proper fast demolition job on a big strong physical prime guy with a bit of ability was the Charles Martin fight.

Floyd was what 39, 20lbs smaller, was a fleet footed boxer that many said cant punch, in this fight he put up a high guard and wallked forward like a terminator that's the only reason he got hit at all as he had no regard for Connor at all, if he was serious as in boxing he could have just fought a typical Floyd fight and boxed a very easy win, but he didn't he was the one doing the pushing, to be honest Connor should have been able to bully the hell out of Floyd and force him to box, but he couldn't, he wasn't stronger or punched hard yet he was a lights out standup champ in MMA, for all his physical advantages over Floyd he was the physically weaker guy that gassed in no time.

AJ is not a bully or a great, he is an Olympian HW, athletic and can box good clean technique and he has power, but yeah he is not going to battle in the trenches with Francis he doesn't have that demeanour, he is in good form having his 4th fight in a year I think he will use good boxing technique and straight punches, Francis will feel his straight right hands.

I will give Francis all the credit in the world if he wins it, but I think AJ is going to dominate this, and Im no fan of AJ Im just looking at the fight.

[TMLT87]

Floyd was what 39, 20lbs smaller, was a fleet footed boxer that many said cant punch, in this fight he put up a high guard and wallked forward like a terminator that's the only reason he got hit at all as he had no regard for Connor at all, if he was serious as in boxing he could have just fought a typical Floyd fight and boxed a very easy win, but he didn't he was the one doing the pushing, to be honest Connor should have been able to bully the hell out of Floyd and force him to box, but he couldn't, he wasn't stronger or punched hard yet he was a lights out standup champ in MMA, for all his physical advantages over Floyd he was the physically weaker guy that gassed in no time.

What would have been a "victory" for the MMA guy in a setting like that against an opponent at Floyds level? he lasted 10 rounds, never touched the canvas and outlanded Floyd in 3 or 4 rounds. The same Floyd who, while obviously getting old, was still very good and dominating Pac two years earlier. If a boxer walked straight into an MMA fight against a top all time p4p fighter who had still actively been winning at a high level 18 months before, won a couple of rounds and then lost via standing stoppage late in the fight when they'd gassed out, would you say they gave a bad account of themselves?

I will give Francis all the credit in the world if he wins it, but I think AJ is going to dominate this, and Im no fan of AJ Im just looking at the fight.

Of course I favour AJ too, its just funny to jump on the Ngannou train because it upsets the apple cart. I wanted James Toney to do the same the other way round back in the day. Its also partly that this HW division can go **** itself thanks to year after year of waiting in vain for AJ/Wilder, AJ/Fury and now even Fury/Usyk being dragged out. It'd be funny if after all that some random guy from another sport strolled in and just made everyone look like they were overrated bums all along.

[Marchegiano]

Jesus

Why waste your time trying to explain to someone who "knows better" the energy difference between two different types of strikes that require different groups of muscles and bones?


If a kata can convince you a strike that lands grounded on a target and uses every muscle group in the body along with the skeletal system as support for the kinematic chains has less energy than a strike that bounces off and uses only a selection of the former's muscles/skeleton, and uses centripetal force over kinematic chains, you are a ****ing moron and can't be taught a ****ing thing.


Youse ain't never seen a boxer punch a brick in half either but somehow you are able to whittle what brain cells you have enough to spark the thought that realizes the karate chop is a ****ty ****ing strike regardless of how many bricks a ***** in pajamas breaks.

Direct energy vs indirect energy

Newton third law being used to cause damage vs Newton's third law being used to rob energy from doing damage

full body system vs some of the body







Next time one of you ****** ****s need to push something really heavy over you gonna use your legs exclusively? What? Legs give power to the hands? One without the other is weaker? HMMMMM

**** dumb, seriously, really ****ing ******. Not I said something silly or did a ****** thing. This is your consideration and your conclusion at work? You are an idiot.