3 Reasons Francis should actually be favored over AJ

[Toffee]

harder than any punch

How can it be harder than any punch?

I'm telling you that it's not the case that any knee is harder than any punch.

I can't fathom how you can't comprehend this.

[Boxing 112]

After watching the film of the Fury/Francis fight, I actually believe Francis is the odds on favorite.

Here is why.

1. He is stronger than AJ, an experienced grappler, and wrestler, he will be able to wear AJ down in the clinches by the 4th round as AJ does not have a real gas tank, and panics when shoved out of his comfort zone.

2. He has heavy hands, it won't take much to shake AJ up, even a grazing shot, and once Francis has him in trouble, AJ won't have the stamina, the cojones, or the will to stand up after he is hurt

3. Francis showed surprising counter punching ability, especially inside, he has the hand speed, and surprising timing, these are among the ingredients to force AJ into a fight.



Just my two cents

Get off the drugs and keep the two cents. He is fighting a mma fighter with a 100% losing record. Wilder should have still beem the fight to make

[TMLT87]

I'll tell you for a fact that it's not the case that:

"Any knee to body or face in a standing position is harder than a punch"

It depends how fast, how connected, how accurate these things are. It's a long way more complicated than you're stating.

We're not talking about what hurts more or does more damage. We're talking about a guy being able to resist his brain being spun on its spine.

Lets just simplify this, you tried to argue that the impacts in MMA were "pointier" rather than harder. Do you or do you not agree that ON AVERAGE eating a kick or flying knee in the head is a harder impact than being punched?

How many punches in boxing do you think are generating more force than this for example?

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or this?

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Or this?

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[Roadblock]

Lets just simplify this, you tried to argue that the impacts in MMA were "pointier" rather than harder. Do you or do you not agree that ON AVERAGE eating a kick or flying knee in the head is a harder impact than being punched?

How many punches in boxing do you think are generating more force than this for example?

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or this?

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Or this?

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How many deaths in MMA how many in boxing?

[TMLT87]

How many deaths in MMA how many in boxing?

The deaths in boxing arent from impacts being harder, its from fighters having their brain bounced around in their skull over and over for up to 36 minutes (vs 25 mins maximum for MMA fights, vast majority being 15 mins) and getting counts after being rocked to allow them to receive additional head trauma when the same fight would have ended under MMA rules. Its a volume issue.

[Roadblock]

The deaths in boxing arent from impacts being harder, its from fighters having their brain bounced around in their skull over and over for up to 36 minutes (vs 25 mins maximum for MMA fights, vast majority being 15 mins) and getting counts after being rocked to allow them to receive additional head trauma when the same fight would have ended under MMA rules.

The whole thing is speculation; if we don't measure them all, there is no way of being certain of anything its a 8 track of continuum BS; not worth arguing about what cannot be proven and who cares if a guy gets shot in the head with 308 or a ******* he is fkd both ways.

[elfag]

IDK what will happen, all i know is that all the pressure is on AJ for this fight, he wants to not only win but also look better than Fury while doing it.

Francis could get KTFO and oh well hes a 38 year old cage fighter in his second boxing fight against a gold medalist 3 belt champion.

[TMLT87]

The whole thing is speculation.

Its not speculation its common sense and accepted fact in any sport that features both punches and kicks. Imagine for punts in American football or shots in soccer they punched the ball instead, how do you think that would go? its like arguing that a baseball bat doesnt have more potential to do damage than a punch.

if a guy gets shot in the head with 308 or a ******* he is fkd both ways.

I agree. It was in response to the whole "his chin is untested, hes not used to facing big impacts because hes from MMA" delusion. MMA has a higher ceiling for big impacts, boxing has more sustained head impacts.

[Roadblock]

Its not speculation its common sense and accepted fact in any sport that features both punches and kicks. Imagine for punts in American football or shots in soccer they punched the ball instead, how do you think that would go? its like arguing that a baseball bat doesnt have more potential to do damage than a punch.



I agree. It was in response to the whole "his chin is untested, hes not used to facing big impacts because hes from MMA" delusion. MMA has a higher ceiling for big impacts, boxing has more sustained head impacts.

If it is not proven, it's speculation, and doesn't mean anything because the hardest hit ever landed could easily be a punch no way of knowing. It's like a moot point.

Francis can take a good shot in MMA no doubt but the difference I see here is AJ will hit him harder than he has ever been hit in MMA, and he probably wont see it coming which adds to the impact, boxers just punch better for producing power than what MMA guys do the chins are no different, that's has shown to be the case in crossover fights, non better than Floyd giving Connor 20lbs while Connor was destroying MMA guys his size.

But anyway I wouldn't want to get kicked in the head or punched by a HW puncher, might not come back from either.

[TMLT87]

If it is not proven, it's speculation, and doesn't mean anything because the hardest hit ever landed could easily be a punch no way of knowing. It's like a moot point.

Like I said, its an accepted fact in any sport that has both punches and kicks that kicks hit harder. Have you had any experience with being hit by both or training both? obviously i'm not saying all kicks hit harder than all punches but on average there is a very significant difference in the maximum power potential between both. Of course the trade off is a kick is a lot harder to land flush, takes you more off balance, is more easily countered, drains your gas tank more etc, but if you have the ability to land a clean head kick its much more likely to KO someone stiff than a punch.

the difference I see here is AJ will hit him harder than he has ever been hit in MMA

Probably but thats not an MMA vs boxing thing so much as an Ngannou steamrolling most of his MMA opponents inside the first round thing. He fought several guys who most likely have decent pop by boxing standards too (Reem, Lewis, Rozenstruik etc) but Stipe was the only one who was able to get to him regularly.

boxers just punch better for producing power than what MMA guys do the chins are no different, that's has shown to be the case in crossover fights, non better than Floyd giving Connor 20lbs while Connor was destroying MMA guys his size.

I think Conor has some power, its not like its the norm for Floyd to be getting hurt or stopped so that shouldnt be the measuring stick. Also worth bearing in mind that Conor was wrecking people at 145lbs in MMA. He fought at 170lbs like 3 months after knocking out Aldo at 145lbs, he was a weight bully which accentuated his power.