3 Reasons Francis should actually be favored over AJ

[Marchegiano]

Where does velocity come into it?

They touch on it here.
https://boxingscience.co.uk/science-behind-punch/

Solid.

When does the opponent getting hit dive head first directly into a punch in boxing on a televised professional level? Like never, but a floating strike with no answer to newton's third law totes does more damage than a grounded strike that uses the third law to its benefit because this fool's forehead got caved in. Nothing to do with him diving face first into it.


The dudes are idiots. I'm legitimately impressed with your ability to find some decent science in "sports science". I thought I was the only one who knew about kinematic chains here

Well done bud.

[juggernaut666]

Like I said, its an accepted fact in any sport that has both punches and kicks that kicks hit harder. Have you had any experience with being hit by both or training both? obviously i'm not saying all kicks hit harder than all punches but on average there is a very significant difference in the maximum power potential between both. Of course the trade off is a kick is a lot harder to land flush, takes you more off balance, is more easily countered, drains your gas tank more etc, but if you have the ability to land a clean head kick its much more likely to KO someone stiff than a punch.



Probably but thats not an MMA vs boxing thing so much as an Ngannou steamrolling most of his MMA opponents inside the first round thing. He fought several guys who most likely have decent pop by boxing standards too (Reem, Lewis, Rozenstruik etc) but Stipe was the only one who was able to get to him regularly.



I think Conor has some power, its not like its the norm for Floyd to be getting hurt or stopped so that shouldnt be the measuring stick. Also worth bearing in mind that Conor was wrecking people at 145lbs in MMA. He fought at 170lbs like 3 months after knocking out Aldo at 145lbs, he was a weight bully which accentuated his power.

I remember Mercer being knocked out by a head kick ,never happened in boxing he was only stood on his feet against Klitchko .

The argument is simple , a general punch can’t generate more force then a well place power kick ,some kicks just catch guys off guard like Silvas thrust kick to Belfort etc .

Knees are most effective in a clinch holding an opponents head in place in a downward position it doubles the impact similar to someone in boxing holding a head in place which is why it’s illegal.

You are using many muscles automatically using any strikes below the waist, Glutes , lower back , hamstrings, the entire core frame etc……few ppl punch correctly if they did they wouldn’t be labled arm punchers .

It’s the individual though if someone is just throwing random kicks out of the blue when they are trained to only throw arm strikes it’s a silly comparison, but the leg itself is just to heavy of muscles and has the strongest biggest bones generating the force to say a punch is more powerful , a punch is easier to be accurate with and abilities to throw in combinations to the head much faster make that strike the more effective overall because Head Kicking only sports dint exist it would look completely dumb without punches . Lol

Joshua is going piece Ngannou up with powerful head strike combinations he is going to get hit harder at one point and it won’t have anything to do with legs , knees it’ll be because the art of boxing is much more effective being able to take a few knees or whatever won’t change this out come and in fact I hope threads like this keep the same energy after the fight it’ll be another one I book mark afterwards . Lol

[Roadblock]

Solid.

When does the opponent getting hit dive head first directly into a punch in boxing on a televised professional level? Like never, but a floating strike with no answer to newton's third law totes does more damage than a grounded strike that uses the third law to its benefit because this fool's forehead got caved in. Nothing to do with him diving face first into it.


The dudes are idiots. I'm legitimately impressed with your ability to find some decent science in "sports science". I thought I was the only one who knew about kinematic chains here

Well done bud.

Ive bred performance dogs for 50 yrs, you got to understand how the body works to be able to breed and improve it selectively, its all angles fulcrums and levers, followed by muscle type and proportion, then we get into temperament that drives it all, its really no different with human athletes, science pretty much has all the answer to performance there are laws of motion that everything abides by, the young fellas in here don't think deeply about things they just run with what ever is the flavor.

[BodyBagz]

After watching the film of the Fury/Francis fight, I actually believe Francis is the odds on favorite.

Here is why.

1. He is stronger than AJ, an experienced grappler, and wrestler, he will be able to wear AJ down in the clinches by the 4th round as AJ does not have a real gas tank, and panics when shoved out of his comfort zone.

2. He has heavy hands, it won't take much to shake AJ up, even a grazing shot, and once Francis has him in trouble, AJ won't have the stamina, the cojones, or the will to stand up after he is hurt

3. Francis showed surprising counter punching ability, especially inside, he has the hand speed, and surprising timing, these are among the ingredients to force AJ into a fight.



Just my two cents

Stopped at ''stronger''
What is your proof ?

One can say AJ was ''stronger'' than Usyk and look how those fights turned out.

[TMLT87]

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Lol, it is pretty crazy to think theres any debate at all that you can do more damage with your shin or foot than your fist.

[TMLT87]

Stopped at ''stronger''
What is your proof ?

One can say AJ was ''stronger'' than Usyk and look how those fights turned out.

You dont think a guy who has about 20lbs of additional muscle mass and who has been training to stop HW wrestlers from taking him down for over a decade is going to be stronger?

[BodyBagz]

You dont think a guy who has about 20lbs of additional muscle mass and who has been training to stop HW wrestlers from taking him down for over a decade is going to be stronger?

Refer back to my AJ vs Usyk comment
Unless of course a wrestling match will take place between Franny and AJ.

[Roadblock]

You dont think a guy who has about 20lbs of additional muscle mass and who has been training to stop HW wrestlers from taking him down for over a decade is going to be stronger?

Explain how these physics factor into your absolute opinion, lets say a car that is 20% lighter but 35% faster than another car , and both hit a pressure pad at the same time which one hits with more force, you see I don't disagree with you Im just not going to take the obvious face value of it must be look its a leg, and realize there is a lot of unknown physics at play here, well not unknown we just have unknown measurements, which mean for all intents and purposes without the numbers its all pissing in the wind.

A stronger guy can be the weaker guy in combat because of leverage and balance, boxing grappling is not like MMA because you cannot grab them, its more like bumpers trying to push or pull to an angle where they can get of a shot.

[TMLT87]

Explain how these physics factor into your absolute opinion, lets say a car that is 20% lighter but 35% faster than another car , and both hit a pressure pad at the same time which one hits with more force, you see I don't disagree with you Im just not going to take the obvious face value of it must be look its a leg, and realize there is a lot of unknown physics at play here, well not unknown we just have unknown measurements, which mean for all intents and purposes without the numbers its all pissing in the wind.

A stronger guy can be the weaker guy in combat because of leverage and balance, boxing grappling is not like MMA because you cannot grab them, its more like bumpers trying to push or pull to an angle where they can get of a shot.

So we've gone from it being speculation that getting kicked in the head is worse than getting punched in the head with a boxing glove, to it being speculation that 270+lb Ngannou who extensively trains grappling is stronger than Anthony Joshua? lol Jesus....

[TMLT87]

Refer back to my AJ vs Usyk comment
Unless of course a wrestling match will take place between Franny and AJ.

I get that but you were casting doubt on whether Ngannou was stronger than AJ, it seems pretty open and shut to me. He would ****ing ragdoll Joshua in any situation that required pure strength.