Comments Thread For: Conor Benn: I Decapitated Vargas, Van Heerden Better Than Boots and Vergil Ortiz - There's Your Measuring Stick!

[Boro]

Yeah….it’s on going because they appealed the decision of the hearing. That appeal process is undergoing this month and if it’s rejected then the case is closed. Which part aren’t you understanding?

No one has “appealed a process”. They’ve claimed innocence or not guilty thus are brought to a hearing carried out by the NADP.

Everyone I just named did that, and thus had a hearing with the NADP it’s literally apples to apples. Any hearing by the way, name on and see who the hearing was undergone by.

I genuinely can’t see where you’re lost at this point, I can’t point you in any direction to make you understand so I’ll guess I’ll just say it again and see if it sinks in more;

Fighter fails drug test, fighter admits wrong doing and is given a ban via UKAD

or

Fighter fails drug test, fighter claims innocence (99% of cases hence why the UKAD website says “likely” in regards to NADP) hearing is scheduled with UKAD via the NADP, the NADP makes the decision.

That is the process of a drug testing hearing. Which Conor Benn has done, and won.

I literally concurred with the process being over if it's rejected multiple posts back, arbitration generally can't be overturned once appealed as I pointed out, I'm more than aware of arbitration.

They're appealing their provisional suspension which will often lead to a longer term suspension or trying to reduce a ban that is the "process" that's started before NADP are involved.

Are you lost about the meaning of the word process or something...

Benn hasn't won until the appeal is over either, it'll be turned over should UKAD be successful in said appeal so why you're adamant he's won is beyond me...

[IronDanHamza]

I literally concurred with the process being over if it's rejected multiple posts back, arbitration generally can't be overturned once appealed as I pointed out, I'm more than aware of arbitration.

They're appealing their provisional suspension which will often lead to a longer term suspension or trying to reduce a ban that is the "process" that's started before NADP are involved.

Are you lost about the meaning of the word process or something...

Benn hasn't won until the appeal is over either, it'll be turned over should UKAD be successful in said appeal so why you're adamant he's won is beyond me...

Except it’s not the case of an appeal it’s a case of pleading not guilty thus a hearing is summoned which is undergone by the NADP. Which is 99% of cases henceforth the term “likely by the NADP” on their website.

So good we have established that drug testing hearings are carried out by the NADP. Great.

He has won. He had a hearing and he won it. That’s a fact of the matter and not up for debate.

Now yes they have appealed it which means the process is still ongoing but that doesn’t change the fact that he won his hearing.

If the appeal is accepted then it restarts, if it’s rejected then it’s closed.

[Boro]

Except it’s not the case of an appeal it’s a case of pleading not guilty thus a hearing is summoned which is undergone by the NADP. Which is 99% of cases henceforth the term “likely by the NADP” on their website.

So good we have established that drug testing hearings are carried out by the NADP. Great.

He has won. He had a hearing and he won it. That’s a fact of the matter and not up for debate.

Now yes they have appealed it which means the process is still ongoing but that doesn’t change the fact that he won his hearing.

If the appeal is accepted then it restarts, if it’s rejected then it’s closed.

Yes it is an appeal of provisional ban, I don't know why you are refusing to accept this.

What do you think they're doing then when they refused to accept their ban, crying and hoping NADP show up by random chance!?

Arbitration is court you understand that right? whilst you're appealing court processes it's still ongoing...

No it doesn't restart if it's successful it's overturned and UKAD ban him most likely a backdated ban which is looking increasingly likely as we're quickly approaching the 2 year mark...

[IronDanHamza]

Yes it is an appeal of provisional ban, I don't know why you are refusing to accept this.

What do you think they're doing then when they refused to accept their ban, crying and hoping NADP show up by random chance!?

Arbitration is court you understand that right? whilst you're appealing court processes it's still ongoing...

No it doesn't restart if it's successful it's overturned and UKAD ban him most likely a backdated ban which is looking increasingly likely as we're quickly approaching the 2 year mark...

Yes that’s what I said, the decision made restarts but again that doesn’t change the fact he’s had his hearing and won his hearing.

It’s not likely at all really, the likely outcome is the appeal is rejected so we’ll have to wait and see for that.

No it’s not an appeal As explained to you they either admit guilt and undergo the process for their ban or they plead not guilty and have a hearing which is undergone by the NADP whichhhhh, Conor Benn has done.

Erm, no, they don’t “wait for the NADP to show up” they just have their hearing which is undergone by the NADP.

You seemed to be getting there and now you seem terribly confused again.

[Boro]

Yes that’s what I said, the decision made restarts but again that doesn’t change the fact he’s had his hearing and won his hearing.

It’s not likely at all really, the likely outcome is the appeal is rejected so we’ll have to wait and see for that.

No it’s not an appeal As explained to you they either admit guilt and undergo the process for their ban or they plead not guilty and have a hearing which is undergone by the NADP whichhhhh, Conor Benn has done.

Erm, no, they don’t “wait for the NADP to show up” they just have their hearing which is undergone by the NADP.

You seemed to be getting there and now you seem terribly confused again.

It does not restart Arbitration is essentially another word for court, do you think court just restarts because of an appeal!?

The only difference between Arbitration and conventional court is it's consensual, you choose the arbitrator(s), it's neutral, it's confidenfical and more easily enforceable.

Again you're confused the NADP only show up to refusal processes and appeals, as I said fighters will often appeal provisional suspension just because of optics...

They're not even relevant if it's provable there is no negligence on behalf of the fighter, the fighter reaches "a case resolution agreement with UKAD and WADA" or admit their taking of any substances...

As I said to you previously not all cases are heard or overseen by NADP they're also occasionally overseen by CAS but either way they're based upon appeals...

You think the government are just paying a shít load of doctors/lawyers and judges to show up to every single hearing involving drugs in the UK, you're crazy...

[IronDanHamza]

It does not restart Arbitration is essentially another word for court, do you think court just restarts because of an appeal!?

The only difference between Arbitration and conventional court is it's consensual, you choose the arbitrator(s), it's neutral, it's confidenfical and more easily enforceable.

Again you're confused the NADP only show up to refusal processes and appeals, as I said fighters will often appeal provisional suspension just because of optics...

They're not even relevant if it's provable there is no negligence on behalf of the fighter, the fighter reaches "a case resolution agreement with UKAD and WADA" or admit their taking of any substances...

As I said to you previously not all cases are heard or overseen by NADP they're also occasionally overseen by CAS but either way they're based upon appeals...

You think the government are just paying a shít load of doctors/lawyers and judges to show up to every single hearing involving drugs in the UK, you're crazy...

I didn’t say it restarts the process. I said it restarts the decision making and a new one is made.

Right yes the NADP come in when a fighter is given a not guilty plea and when a hearing is summoned I.e 99% of cases. I thought we’d established that.

They are overseen by the NADP if a hearing is summoned as stated on the UKAD website

Now you’re confused again.

[Boro]

I didn’t say it restarts the process. I said it restarts the decision making and a new one is made.

Right yes the NADP come in when a fighter is given a not guilty plea and when a hearing is summoned I.e 99% of cases. I thought we’d established that.

They are overseen by the NADP if a hearing is summoned as stated on the UKAD website

Now you’re confused again.

So what's it restarting then if it isn't restarting the process and you've said this multiple times, if it's starting a "new" one it's not restarting...

"Depending on the status of the individual, the appeal may be heard by the NADP Appeal Tribunal or the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS)."

This is directly from UKADs website we can all quote websites to back up arguments it doesn't mean anything...

No one is confused apart from you, as i've pointed out multiple times and now seemingly you're getting confused by your own words...

[BlackRobb]

Conor Benn Calls Out Boots Ennis – Ready For Title Shot?
By Jeepers Isaac - 02/01/2024

Conor Benn (22-0, 14 KOs) says he’ll be ready to face Jaron ‘Boots’ Ennis (31-0, 28 KOs) for his IBF welterweight title after his match against Peter Dobson (16-0, 9 KOs) this Saturday, February 3rd in Las Vegas.

If Benn is serious about fighting Boots Ennis, that would seen as being courageous, and it would be a way of being viewed as a legitimate fighter overnight.

Benn says that people view Boots Ennis as the “boogeyman,” but he’s not scared of him and is ready to face him. He says that he’s gotten to where he is today without benefiting from an amateur career the way Boots had it.

What could prevent Benn from getting a fight with Boots Ennis is his promoter, Eddie Hearn, who wants to keep him facing older British fighters, bringing in the money locally. If Hearn gets his way, Benn will run through these Brits in his next three fights:

– Chris Eubank Jr.
– Kell Brook
– Liam Smith

For non-British fans, they’ll see those three as similar-level fights for Benn as his previous ones against Chris Van Heerden, Chris Algieri, Samuel Vargas, and Adrian Granados.

Benn Challenges Ennis Directly

“I’ve been calling the name, and I know you’ve seen me calling the name. To me, Jaron, no problem,” said Conor Benn to the media when asked about his thoughts on fighting Jaron ‘Boots’ Ennis, the IBF welterweight champion.

“They’re saying he’s the boogeyman, and everyone is scared. No one is scared. No one is scared over here anyway. For me, he’s a great fighter, talented, extremely gifted, and you can’t knock that.

Benn’s Confidence in His Experience

“For someone that has had so much amateur experience [Boots] and someone who hasn’t, I still feel ready for that fight. The pro game is a different game. If I had 33 fights. I fought Van Heerden in my 19th fight, and I did exactly the same thing.

Open to Big Fights

“When Vergil Ortiz fought Samuel Vargas, I done the exact same thing if not quicker. When Shawn Porter fought Sebastian Formella, I did exactly the same thing but better. So, that’s my comparison. So, I’m ready for those sorts of fights.

“If those fights are presented to me, I’ll take them. We offered [Mario] Barrios the fight. We offered [Jose] Ramirez the fight. [Yordenis] Ugas the fight and [Keith] Thurman the fight. Let’s make all these fights. I’ll come to the States.”

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...le-shot/273749

I wonder were those offers made before the tainted eggs, or after? I notice who he did not offer the fight to: Boots and Vergil!

He's called out Boots a few times now. Ortiz always has some type of medical issue, so trying to fight him is like trying to handle an eel.

[Slicc]

Connor Eggs Bennedict

[Bronx2245]

He's called out Boots a few times now. Ortiz always has some type of medical issue, so trying to fight him is like trying to handle an eel.

After yesterday, I think Conor Benn might want to re-evaluate his life! Maybe David Avenesyan is better opponent for him, or maybe Josh Taylor?