Floyd Mayweather Jr: "I Don't Need Shane Mosley"

[Xcusemymood]

No I specifically responded to what you said by saying that I very much doubt he'll change his mind about fighting Mosley, like you suggested he would, but we'll see.

We'll see. Floyd is about making the most money and if Mosley brought the most money hed fight him next, unfortunaltly for Mosley Pac or Cotto brings more money.

Also, Mosley got much more of a pass from people when he ducked Williams than Floyd does, (a) because he's 37, and has a long track record of fighting the best possible opposition, however much of a risk they presented, and at 37, people feel he deserves to end his career by cashing out, and (b) because Floyd isn't even talking about Williams, even though Williams has repeatedly called Floyd out.

Im not trying to pick on Mosely. I want Floyd to fight Mosley the most. However Im not the one getting in the ring so I dont blame Floyd for wanting to make more money By facing Pac. Mosley will be there later.

I do find it ironic how you can give Mosley a pass for doing the same thing Floyd is doing in looking or the most $ first. I understand how you come up with the idea for a pass and it makes sense because Mosley has doine all you mentioned. But I do not understand how you can ridicule Floyd for looking after his interests.



He's been trying to do that ever since he beat Castillo in the rematch. Mosley is trying to cash out at the end of a career in which he's proved over and over again that he's keen to test himself against the best possible opposition. And he's even said he's willing in principle to face Williams. Floyd hasn't even mentioned Williams, although Williams has called him out many times this year.

In principle is far from signing a contract, which we know he didnt do when it was there.

Props to you for that.



And for that.



Not at all. I'm criticising him for saying he doesn't need Mosley. If he astonishes me by fighting the Cotto-Pac winner and Mosley, then I'll give him full props, once I've recovered from the shock, but I don't see that happening.

Theres 2 ways to look at it.

Money-wise he does not need Mosley. This is how Floyd looks at it.

Legacy-wise he does need Mosely. This is how you look at it.

I try to look at it from both because no one is right and no one is wrong.




Because it would be an even bigger fight if he was the lineal Welterweight champion, having beaten Mosley already, when he fought Pac.

Agreed, like I said I wish he would fight Mosley next but again why mess risk the Pac fight?


That seems to me to be a strange argument for someone to use who believes Floyd has the talent to be rated as one of the top 20 fighters of all time. If he beats Mosley and then fights the Pac-Cotto winner, the second fight would be even bigger than if he waits and fights the Pac-Cotto winner next.

Or the otherway around and he beats Pac then Mosley. I dont have the answer but he should fight them all.

ps How do you do those quote things? I dont know how so my response looks all long.

[Dave Rado]

Or the otherway around and he beats Pac then Mosley. I dont have the answer but he should fight them all.

Well we can agree on that.

But given his track record, most neutrals just find it maddening when he says he doesn't want to fight the top rated fighter in his own weight class and uses ridiculous justifications like "he ducked me 10 years ago" or "he's lost five times". And sickening when his fans defend him for doing that.

ps How do you do those quote things? I dont know how so my response looks all long.

Copy and paste the [ QUOTE=username;number ] bit (without the spaces between the brackets and the text) to the start of each section you want to quote, and copy and paste the [ /QUOTE ] bit (without the spaces) to the end of each section you want to quote.

[Xcusemymood]

Calzaghe was considered a high risk fight for Hopkins to take. And Hopkins was 43. If he had ducked Dawson when he was still in his prime, Hopkins would have received just as much stick as Floyd gets, but he is way past his prime, and has been contemplating retirement on age grounds for several years, so he gets a pass.

Hatton wasn't considered a high risk fight for Floyd to take. Even so, I would have had no problem whatsoever with him taking that fight, because it was a big money fight, if he had also fought a top Welterweight before "retiring", but he didn't.

At the time Hatton was a pretty high risk fight and a big money fight against the champion only 1 division below. He did fight a top WW at the time PRIOR in Zab Judah, then fought for the WW title, then fought a man larger than him, then Hatton. Then he retired. I dont see room to critisize unless you are looking in hindsight. Which you are.

Floyd just came back and took a tune up to setup the story for a Pac fight. You guys need to settle down dogging the guy, wait to see who he fights in his next 2. Right now there is no way to avoid fighting Pac Cotto or Mosley next. Just wait.

I didn't call him a ***** for fighting Hatton, I criticised him for the fact that he didn't defend his Welterweight title against a Welterweight even once, and didn't defend his Jnr Middleweight title even once, and for the fact that this was happening while he was still in his prime.

Who cares? He fought legit fights in Oscar and Hatton!

Like Hopkins fought Tarver, a jump of two weight divisions at the time.

Nothing wrong with taking the De La Hoya fight as well as defending his Welterweight title, but he should then have either defended his Jnr Middleweight title against a Jnr Middleweight, or his Welterweight title against a Welterweight. And by that time the top three Welters were all considered to be at least as much of a threat to him as De La Hoya, so the fact that De La Hoya was bigger then them isn't really relevant. De La Hoya was still very good but was a part time fighter by then, and was only ranked #3 at his weight by The Ring.

We know he jumped to Jr Middle for the Oscar fight only and had no intention of staying there. That is rediculous to even state. We know he fought Hatton next and pretty sure that was a legit fight at the time.

If you want to critisize him for retiring after that go ahead, and yes he could have fought someone else instead of Hatton(even though that was the fight everyone wanted to see and made the most sense), his body of work makes sense and was legit at the time.

Well all he needs to say is that he wants to fight the Pac-Cotto winner first and then Mosley, and he wouldn't be criticised by fair minded fans.

Wish he would.

And in any case, I did criticise Mosley for ducking Williams at that time, as did quite a few others. But many gave him a pass because of his age and his track record; and because they felt that at the age of 37, he deserves one big pay day before he retires to cash out on, and that situation isn't at all analogous to Floyd's.

Sure, but its not Floyds responsibility either.

[PAC-BOY]

No I specifically responded to what you said by saying that I very much doubt he'll change his mind about fighting Mosley, like you suggested he would, but we'll see.

Also, Mosley got much more of a pass from people when he ducked Williams than Floyd does, (a) because he's 37, and has a long track record of fighting the best possible opposition, however much of a risk they presented, and at 37, people feel he deserves to end his career by cashing out, and (b) because Floyd isn't even talking about Williams, even though Williams has repeatedly called Floyd out.



He's been trying to do that ever since he beat Castillo in the rematch. Mosley is trying to cash out at the end of a career in which he's proved over and over again that he's keen to test himself against the best possible opposition. And he's even said he's willing in principle to face Williams. Floyd hasn't even mentioned Williams, although Williams has called him out many times this year.



Props to you for that.



And for that.



Not at all. I'm criticising him for saying he doesn't need Mosley. If he astonishes me by fighting the Cotto-Pac winner and Mosley, then I'll give him full props, once I've recovered from the shock, but I don't see that happening.



Because it would be an even bigger fight if he was the lineal Welterweight champion, having beaten Mosley already, when he fought Pac.



That seems to me to be a strange argument for someone to use who believes Floyd has the talent to be rated as one of the top 20 fighters of all time. If he beats Mosley and then fights the Pac-Cotto winner, the second fight would be even bigger than if he waits and fights the Pac-Cotto winner next.

Hey look at who you are talking too Dave a poster that is obsessed with me. lol lol Now you have top ask yourself dave does this guy have a few screws loose?

[Xcusemymood]

Hey look at who you are talking too Dave a poster that is obsessed with me. lol lol Now you have top ask yourself dave does this guy have a few screws loose?

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From the guy who keeps following me around and giving me red K. LOL.

Go make up some more threads and spend your day reposting nothing on it to make your insecure self look better to people who dont know any better. Nice life.

Dave and I can actually have a rational discussion on here which is more than anyone can say for you.

Manny is going to be mad at you if you dont hurry back and make some more points for yourself, now scurry off little one.

[PAC-BOY]

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From the guy who keeps following me around and giving me red K. LOL.

Go make up some more threads and spend your day reposting nothing on it to make your insecure self look better to people who dont know any better. Nice life.

hahahaha I dont use alts do you? sure you do!!! I also dont get obsessed with others posters life....lmfao to the point where i put them in my sig.....wooooooooooooooo someones jealous and enviousness of me... Im flattered really. You want my attention that bad. hehe heeeeeeeeee! I feel sorry for you.

[Xcusemymood]

hahahaha I dont use alts do you? sure you do!!! I also dont get obsessed with others posters life....lmfao to the point where i put them in my sig.....wooooooooooooooo someones jealous and enviousness of me... Im flattered really. You want my attention that bad. hehe heeeeeeeeee! I feel sorry for you.

Ugh. You arent fooling anyone.

[Vasyl’s dad]

why would i erase my post? you think you're so smart you're the only one allowed to post his opinion. yes right mosley won against cheater margaritaville and over the hill fat boy vargas. who else did he beat, ah yeah his boss de la hoya. he lost to cotto so why should he get ahead and fight mayweather. you shut up and stop bullying other posters or go kiss mosleys ass.

lmao, who said I think I'm so smart and am the only one allowed to post my opinion? What kind of female type pills are you taking?

lol "bullying" other posters, how?

Because I know how to get my point across in plain english?

Mosley, 4 Kos in his last 6 fights.

So yea,

go erase your drivel.

[mrlopez]

what a putz...MONEY is the reason Mosley is CHASING Pac & Mayweather and NOT wanting to fight Clottey or Berto....
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Unlike your coward lil boy floyd, Mosely fights for legacy 1st, $ 2nd.

It's humorous how some posters vilify Floyd for focusing on his paychecks, yet those same posters are obsessed with Floyd's bills.

He shouldn't talk about his money....but you should talk about his money.

I understand. Thanks.

We dont give a **** about his $, we are true fans of the sport and want to see the best COMPETITIVE fights.....not ones that are made purely for the sake of $. We want to see the best fight the best......floyd aint the best tho, so thank you

LOL..How is Mosley the man to beat when Cotto beat him....Mosley has only beat Collazo & Margarito @ WW...now that makes him the man?..Hatton beat Collazo @ WW..lol

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Yes Cotto beat SSM (very close fight tho), Marg (if he cheated or not), beat the living **** outta cotto, and mosely annihilated Marg (a man fraud ducked time and time again).....So yes, Mosely is the man at ww....he said he'd fight cotto again, just not in new york....nuff said. Fraud fights only lil guys......

[laudium]

Mosley Knocks out Floyd in 8 rounds.

The prob with "money" mayweather is that he is afraid to step it up. He weighed almost 160 the night of the marquez fight, and still did not take advantage of the little man. NOt taking anything away from Marquez, but mayweather didnt even try for the KO. Another thing about Fraud Money Mayweather, he has hand picked all of his opponents, and for the record, Jose Luis Castillo Beat his ass the first fight - but there has been stranger more debatable decisions in the past. Floyd Senior thought Oscar won the fight against his own son, and If Zab Judah had been given credit for the knockdown in the 2nd or 3rd round, he would have won the decision by 1 point. That round should have been a 10-8 round, but it was scored even due to the blind judges who did not see that both mayweathers gloves touched the canvas - and as Lennox Lewis was comentating, he mentioned that Zab should have been given credit for a knock down. I personally dont think Zab won the fight, but going by the final score from the judges, had Zab got the credit for the knock down, he would have won it by a narrow decision.

On to Mosely, Mayweather you are obviously afraid to fight MOsley, You beat around the Bush when this topic comes up. C'mon floyd, fight the man, and if you beat him you will make even more money fighting Pac or Cotto - if Cotto beats Pac. And you say it doesnt make business sense, why did you turn down 8 million dollars for a fight with Margarito, and settled for 1 million to fight Baldomir. Quit fooling yourself, if you want respect, earn it, go out there and fight like a man. Fighters who got knocked out trying to KO other fighters have more respect than what comes your way. If you had the heart of Erik Morales, Juan Manual Marques, or Even Mosley, you would have KO'd most of the fighters you fought. You got the skills but you aint got the balls, and last but not least, you are not the # 1 Pay Per VIew Draw, Your fight with Oscar was due to Oscars Drawing Power, even with Hatton, he had all the UK fans fly over here to watch that fight, you don’t even have fans who will fly within the united states to see your boring ass. Quit taking credit for the PPV success of those fights. Once you fight MOsley, win or lose, you will earn more respect for taking on a real challenge - or go back and dominate the Baldomirs, and little guys like Marquez and quit trying to sell us your BS.