So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[M312]

[dan-b]

His levels clinically should be around 430-465 ng/dL. No one has pin-pointed the difference between an athlete of his level vs a couch potato with a pot belly drinking a beer watching his fights. Post the ng/dL findings. Don't give hem 475 or some BS like that which I willing to bet it is? If he is in the 515+ range, then we can talk. All they have to do is post the findings.

The above can be dismissed as ideological due to the presumption and unnecessary theatrical language. Clearly VADA are better positioned to define an "atypical" finding than some anonymous guy with a ring card girl avatar and no relevant qualifications.

[CasperUK]

He didnt fail a test

The findings are "atypical" and not "adverse"

Connor Benn was "adverse" (ie through the roof)

Everyone has a different genetic profile

Some people find it easier to burn fat and gain muscle - thus they have "atypical" HGH and testosterone levels.

VADA are also very strict too. They can literally detect 1 in 1,000,000 particles for banned substances. So if they are saying it's not a fail then it is not a fail.

People need to educate themselves better.

PEDs have been an issue for decades and science is good at catching people but people still don't have a clue how PEDs testing works and what the difference between simple words like "adverse" and "atypical" mean.

[IronDanHamza]

His levels clinically should be around 430-465 ng/dL. No one has pin-pointed the difference between an athlete of his level vs a couch potato with a pot belly drinking a beer watching his fights. Post the ng/dL findings. Don't give hem 475 or some BS like that which I willing to bet it is? If he is in the 515+ range, then we can talk. All they have to do is post the findings.

It would be interesting and nice to see them, I agree. I'm not sure what their policy is on posting the exact numbers with confidentiality etc Which I don't agree with. I feel all these things should be transparent.

I know USADA did release Jon Jones findings when he had the test levels of an 80 year old woman.

[_Rexy_]

Isn't that circular logic? He's a "world level athlete" therefore any atypical reading is to be expected. In that case it wouldn't be an atypical reading because it would be anticipated for a "world level athlete".

I'm not accusing Beterbiev of anything but to dismiss the finding because (1) Hearn is talking about it in a smug and irritating way and (2) we don't understand what it means is wrongheaded in my opinion.

First paragraph: I don't know, I was more thinking out loud. But how many 39 year old boxers do they test to compare to?

Hearn is always talking smug and irritating. He comes off EXTRA smug and irritating though because he's the only promoter out there who actively ignores multiple failed drug testings and tries to get his suspended fighters fights in different jurisdictions.

But the fact that it was worded "Atypical Finding" instead of "adverse effects" or "failed drug test" (Like with Benn, Whyte, Baumgartner, Chavez Jr for example) is what made me think that. Plus, VADA immediately came out and cleared it anyways.


EDIT - I see this just got posted, and basically says what I said

[dan-b]

You couldn't have said it better. Almost every one on here hasn't the first clue when it comes to this topic, yet they talk as if they do. It's incredibly weird.

VADA and USADA are the best testing agencies out there but there's only so much they can do unless they are with the athletes 24/7 which is obviously not possible. There's always a way around the tests.

This finding doesn't prove anything in regards to PED use with Beterbiev but it definitely points to it. They essentially use these findings as an alarm bell.

The "reasoning" these armchair experts use is on a level with "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" and can be dismissed accordingly.

[ShoulderRoll]

Russian cheat? No wonder he has a perfect KO record.

At almost 39 years of age.

[_Rexy_]

The above can be dismissed as ideological due to the presumption and unnecessary theatrical language. Clearly VADA are better positioned to define an "atypical" finding than some anonymous guy with a ring card girl avatar and no relevant qualifications.

A lot of us on here have fought in the ring, taken PED's etc. So maybe you shouldn't chit on someone who may know what they're talking about just because they have a ring girl avatar.

[KillaCamNZ]

Let's be honest - 90% are on the gas. Cycle right, and no one pings you. Cycle wrong, and you're a headline.

[IronDanHamza]

Russian cheat. No wonder he has a perfect KO record.

At almost 39 years of age.

Do you understand that he hasn't tested positive for a PED?