Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou - Done Deal, On Date TBD In Riyadh

[Boro]

"Where did I mention anything other than reigning"

You said that Martin and Ruiz weren't reigning champions when they defended their titles against against AJ. So you clearly must think they were something other than reigning champions. If they weren't reigning champions and they weren't defending champions, what the fuck do you think they were?

"he became a reigning champion by defending multiple times"

Wtf are you talking about? A fighter becomes a reigning champion by winning a championship title and his reign lasts until he loses the title. There is no other definition of what a reigning champion is.

The literal definition is to exert dominion or authority, what dominion or authority has someone who's never defended exerted since you want to play the dictionary/semantic game, fool.

There is no dominion or authority in picking up vacant titles... but you keep believing there is and they aren't just belt holders in an era with too many belts.

[KillaMane26]

Great Francis getting these paydays. Can't see him beating Joshua tho

[kafkod]

And you'll find its meaning is very much pertinent to this conversation as it's related to linguistics and meaning...

I've explained to you multiple times how there is a difference between a world champion and reigning champion, your inability to wrap your brain around that isn't on me, as i'm not here to hold your hand, son.

The defending champion : the guy who currently holds the title.

Champion defending his title : The belt hold trying to remain champion but there is a difference between a belt holder and a champion as i’ve pointed out numerous times now.

A better example would be football or some shít like that if England won last year for example.

They would be the “defending champions” but they wouldn’t actually be champions this year.

They’re just trying to gain the status following year, not continue it hence they’re considered “defending champions” but they’re not defending a “title” or even hold one per se...

But they would still be considered "defending champions" like I said your arguing semantics because your rimming Joshua...

The literal definition is to exert dominion or authority, what dominion or authority has someone who's never defended exerted since you want to play the dictionary/semantic game, fool.

There is no dominion or authority in picking up vacant titles... but you keep believing there is and they aren't just belt holders in an era with too many belts.

Incredible that you can spew up a mountain of word salad like that while accusing me of playing semantic games!

Your lack of self awareness is astonishing!

This is a boxing forum, and we all know what a reigning and defending champion is, in a boxing context, including you. So man up and admit that you made a mistake. It's no big deal.

I watched AJ vs Martin and the AJ/Ruiz rematch and I distinctly remember Martin and Ruiz being introduced as reigning, defending champions in both those fights, because that is exactly what they were and you know it.

[Boro]

kafkod Who spewed a word salad you little tart, I explained it in a brief and concise manner not my fault you have Tiktok brain is it, boy.

The difference between me and you, is your arguing from a dictionary, I'm arguing from reality.

No one considers the likes of Rolly Romero a real champion despite his status as champion like I said your playing semantics and your just trying pathetically to gaslight me because the guy you're rimming the fúck out of isn't what you think he is.

Even your type were complaining Fury wasn't a real champion because he hadn't defended his belt not too long ago.

But now I'm applying that very same logic to the guy you have your man crush on and his opponents it's unacceptable it's absolutely pathetic hypocrisy...

[kafkod]

kafkod Who spewed a word salad you little tart, I explained it in a brief and concise manner not my fault you have Tiktok brain is it, boy.

The difference between me and you, is your arguing from a dictionary, I'm arguing from reality.

No one considers the likes of Rolly Romero a real champion despite his status as champion like I said your playing semantics and your just trying pathetically to gaslight me because the guy you're rimming the fúck out of isn't what you think he is.

Even your type were complaining Fury wasn't a real champion because he hadn't defended his belt not too long ago.

But now I'm applying that very same logic to the guy you have your man crush on and his opponents it's unacceptable it's absolutely pathetic hypocrisy...

You are one of those unfortunate folk who can't separate objective reality from what goes on in their own minds.

I'm not interested in reading any more of your crap so don't bother quoting me again in this thread.

[Boro]

You are one of those unfortunate folk who can't separate objective reality from what goes on in their own minds.

I'm not interested in reading any more of your crap so don't bother quoting me again in this thread.

Your the one who isn't being objective. you know full well, as does many others what i'm saying is true.

People do not regard email champions,people who won vacant titles, elevated, those who've never defended and such as real champions.

But you simply refuse to admit it because it means your man crush isn't what you think he is, it's that simple you aren't a fan of sport, you're a fan of a man.

Haney, Romero, Charlo and I could keep going with the example of people who weren't/aren't properly regarded because of the way in which they won belts.

And don't think you have some authority over who or what I quote you little mug.

[kafkod]

Your the one who isn't being objective. you know full well, as does many others what i'm saying is true.

People do not regard email champions,people who won vacant titles, elevated, those who've never defended and such as real champions.

But you simply refuse to admit it because it means your man crush isn't what you think he is, it's that simple you aren't a fan of sport, you're a fan of a man.

Haney, Romero, Charlo and I could keep going with the example of people who weren't/aren't properly regarded because of the way in which they won belts.

And don't think you have some authority over who or what I quote you little mug.

Neither Martin nor Ruiz were elevated or email champions. They both won their titles in the ring. Whether you regarded them as "real champions", in your own head, is irrelevant. Objectively, in the real world, they were both reigning champions when AJ fought them.

[Boro]

Neither Martin nor Ruiz were elevated or email champions. They both won their titles in the ring. Whether you regarded them as "real champions", in your own head, is irrelevant. Objectively, in the real world, they were both reigning champions when AJ fought them.

I'm not retreading old ground you tried to play the dictionary game and I done the same to you.

But you refuse to accept it, whereas I was willing to play along, you're disingenuous and only engage in bad faith in an attempt to "win", it's pathetic.

Case and point proven is your willingness to only partially accept the thing you've quoted me on, despite all of it being true.

Like I said it's you who lack objectivity and gaslight to try and win the "argument" it's underhanded but it's not working on me boy, I grew up in a house of seven women, it's an extremely common tactic of theirs...

[kafkod]

I'm not retreading old ground you tried to play the dictionary game and I done the same to you.

But you refuse to accept it, whereas I was willing to play along, you're disingenuous and only engage in bad faith in an attempt to "win", it's pathetic.

Case and point proven is your willingness to only partially accept the thing you've quoted me on, despite all of it being true.

Like I said it's you who lack objectivity and gaslight to try and win the "argument" it's underhanded but it's not working on me boy, I grew up in a house of seven women, it's an extremely common tactic of theirs...

Look, I'm not interested in talking about England winning football tournaments, email champions, or whether Rolley is a real champion or not, so yes, I'm going to ignore you waffling on about that stuff because it's irrelevant.

All I'm saying is that Ruiz and Martin were both reigning champions who lost their titles against AJ. And the reason I'm saying that is because it's true and what you said was incorrect.

[Boro]

Look, I'm not interested in talking about England winning football tournaments, email champions, or whether Rolley is a real champion or not, so yes, I'm going to ignore you waffling on about that stuff because it's irrelevant.

All I'm saying is that Ruiz and Martin were both reigning champions who lost their titles against AJ. And the reason I'm saying that is because it's true and what you said was incorrect.

No you're ignoring what's inconvenient for your narrative and accepting what's convenient like I said you're extremely disingenuous and bad faith, it's that simple.

And no one was discussing football tournaments it was to emphasis a point, it just goes to further prove how disingenuous you are.

Like I said numerous, you're just gaslighting but you believe you're proficient at it laughbly, you're actually horrendous at it but keep trying sweetheart you'll get there one day.

Again numerous of your ilk implied Fury and others aren't "real champions" because they haven't defended that logic implies to Joshua's opponents too.

It's not up for debate suddenly despite your insistence, just like Wallin isn't a quality opponent now AJ has fought him, he wasn't for Fury, he certainly isn't for AJ who has sparred 100s of rounds with him but you narrative peddlers will insist he is, same with Ngannou.