Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou - Done Deal, On Date TBD In Riyadh

[pollywog]

It implies that Wilder was looked after by the powers that be, not that Ortiz took a dive.

Flip sides of the same coin.

[Toffee]

Yes Pulev, Takam, Schwarz and Wallin were all poor opposition that's my point as is Ngannou but some reason it's spun now that AJ has/is fighting them, they're "real" opposition which is why I find the whole charade a farce.

Pulev and Takam were mandatories.
Chisora was a terrible voluntary. Universally condemned.
Ngannou (coming back to the original point) wasn't even ranked and Fury wasn't actively defending against ranked fighters at that time.

Fury wasn't a champion when he fought Wallin and Schwarz.

Ngannou isn't 'real' opposition. But Joshua's not a champion. He has no obligations.

[Tom Joad]

It implies that Wilder was looked after by the powers that be, not that Ortiz took a dive.

And how he was! Try to find round eight of their first fight, but I think they've purged it from the internet - and listen to what the commentator, Pauli Malignaggi, said when it happened. Ortiz was later asked about that incident and he said "Wilder's backers have deep pockets". Another one with Wilder I noticed was when he fought Molina and Molina had him in trouble, but then Molina seemed to get a signal and backed off. Boxing is so crooked.

[Rockybigblower]

Mike Tyson had already been beaten by Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield, by the time? The Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis fight occurred 'That was the conclusive fight, which decided who the last man standing was from the 90's era of Heavyweights'.

It does not really matter whether Joshua has been beaten by Usyk. Was Joshua beaten to the point where? His team and family are pressuring him to retire? No 'They were not those type of fights mate, Joshua was not decked, beaten up or knocked out. Joshua lost twice vs Usyk in competitive fights'.

Anthony Joshua has not retried, Joshua is still wining fights 'And he is still by the looks of it, still fighting off Tyson Fury's nearest competition'.

Joshua fought off Wladimir Kiltschko, it was Joshua who conclusively took the Heavyweight division into this new era and dynasty 'Not Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury won one fight vs Wladimir Kiltschko over the distance. Kiltschko did not retire after that loss to Fury 'Kiltschko initiated his rematch clause'.

Wladimir Kiltschko was a Champion of close to 10 years, losing 1 fight over the distance 'Was not enough to totally defeat him'.

The competition between Fury and Kiltschko, had developed into a battle 'A battle is a collection of fights'.

And the fact of boxing history is? Was that Tyson Fury did not turn up for that battle vs Wladimir Kiltschko 'Tyson Fury did not follow through with is rematch vs Kiltscko'.

Anthony Joshua in his 19th professionally fight stepped into that battle, and he fought the version of Kiltschko 'Who Fury should of faced in their scheduled rematch, but did not unfortunately due to his circumstance'.

2017 April 28th, Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years 'Joshua beat up and knocked out Kiltschko, forcing him to retire and taking the Heavyweight Division into a completely new Dynasty'.

And look what is happening all these years later? Francis Ngannou vs Tyson Fury fight took place on October 28rd 2023 'The world witnessed Tyson Fury get decked and beaten up. Fury was given the decision, but many experts in the sport all shared the consensus that Fury did not win the fight'.

So somebody, a Heavyweight out there has got to beat Francis Ngannou 'Because Tyson Fury did not beat Nagnnou. Nagnnou has been given a top-10 WBC ranking, There are people out there within the sport of boxing, who after October 28th 2023, they all claimed that Francis Ngannou is the uncrowned Lineal and WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World'.

If the Francis Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua fight takes place 'Joshua just like he did vs Kiltschko, will be fighting off Fury's nearest competition for him'. Joshua for the second time in his career, will be fighting Fury's battle's inside the ring'.

Note: People can deny the dynamics of this competition all they want 'But a competition to see who will be the last man standing from this era, does not just come to a conclusion after 1 fight. All these fights that are happening, in regards to the top - 4 fighters are all having a effect upon the Heavyweight landscape. Ever single fight that Fury, Usyk, Wilder and Joshua compete in 'Have been resulting in tectonic shifts'.

And it seems to be accelerating, people cannot just pass over fights 'If Joshua fights Ngannou, and actually beats him for real. All this does is improve his standing in the competition 'To see who will be the last man standing of this era'.

Fury has not fought off Joshua, and Usyk although he has beaten Joshua twice 'Has not inflicted the type of loses on Joshua, that invalidates a third fight between the two fighters' etc.

You seem to have wasted a lot of words and filtered through a lot of history simply in order to justify listing everyones losses but Joshuas.

[Inoue Body Shot]

Joshua better win by KO!!

[Pappy O’Daniel]

Normally I would laugh at this but after the Fury fight good for him. Make that money you didn’t get in the ufc.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Don't get me wrong I was very critical of this fight happening earlier - but by writing 22 pages of comments(!) about this fight - we have just shown exactly why this fight is happening

[juggernaut666]

Don't get me wrong I was very critical of this fight happening earlier - but by writing 22 pages of comments(!) about this fight - we have just shown exactly why this fight is happening

If Joshua knocks him out it’s also another avenue crossed out for Fury he can kiss his Ngannou rematch good bye and have less escape routes should he get past Usyk ,that he can’t make right . This is the smartest thing Joshua can do which is not only show him up again but give him less outs if their fight is available,Fury cannot use the excuses of any Ngannou rematch because it will be irrelevant .

[Toffee]

If Joshua knocks him out it’s also another avenue crossed out for Fury he can kiss his Ngannou rematch good bye and have less escape routes should he get past Usyk ,that he can’t make right . This is the smartest thing Joshua can do which is not only show him up again but give him less outs if their fight is available,Fury cannot use the excuses of any Ngannou rematch because it will be irrelevant .

Honestly, I still can't quite see Fury fighting Usyk.

He must know since Ngannou that he's diminished. And after Joe shut out Wilder he realises that the win that defined his level really wasn't what he thought. Beating Wilder is only good rather than great.

There's plenty of money in the fight... but I just can't see there not being an issue between now and Feb.

[diarraisagod]

If Joshua knocks him out it’s also another avenue crossed out for Fury he can kiss his Ngannou rematch good bye and have less escape routes should he get past Usyk ,that he can’t make right . This is the smartest thing Joshua can do which is not only show him up again but give him less outs if their fight is available,Fury cannot use the excuses of any Ngannou rematch because it will be irrelevant .

True that.

I can't quite believe the hate this is getting. From Joshua's perspective this fight makes bucket loads of sense.

- It keeps him active (rather than waiting on an IBF ruling)
- Ngannou is ranked (blame the WBC for that)
- It's lucrative
- Ngannou took the champ to a disputed decision so he's been proven capable
- It's an opportunity for AJ to benchmark his performance against Fury's.

AJ also has no obligations now he's not champion so he's not likely to risk his position against dangerous contenders with no upside.

I get fans want competitive matchups but on here there's some ridiculous double standards