Comments Thread For: Tarver Backs Crawford as P4P Best: How Many P4P Champions Has Inoue Defeated?

[HisExcellency]

Nah spence isn't a pf p fighter, not proved he's no1 in his own weight class and struggled to best them. Bud took 5 years and a car accident to beat spence.
WIn titles in 4 divisions and best charlo and Tim tszue in first fights then he's equal to Inoue. Not above Inoue, but at least on the same page and singing from same hymn sheet

Too harsh…Spence was in Ring magazine’s top 5 p4p list before the Crawford fight and held 3 of the 4 belts in his weight class so was definitely the #1 Welterweight in the world. Also, he looked GREAT in his last fight against Ugas although I agree that the car accident took a lot out of him. In fact, if Spence had fought Bud pre-car accident and before all the partying with Broner & co, I think he would’ve probably won.

Still, Bud got the job done in dominant fashion and made history in the process so definitely deserved the p4p #1 spot at the time.

However, Inoue has accomplished in just ONE year what took Bud 6 years to achieve (undisputed in 2 weight classes) so is definitely the p4p #1 NOW.

[hugh grant]

Too harsh…Spence was in Ring magazine’s top 5 p4p list before the Crawford fight and held 3 of the 4 belts in his weight class so was definitely the #1 Welterweight in the world. Also, he looked GREAT in his last fight against Ugas although I agree that the car accident took a lot out of him. In fact, if Spence had fought Bud pre-car accident and before all the partying with Broner & co, I think he would’ve probably won.

Still, Bud got the job done in dominant fashion and made history in the process so definitely deserved the p4p #1 spot at the time.

However, Inoue has accomplished in just ONE year what took Bud 6 years to achieve (undisputed in 2 weight classes) so is definitely the p4p #1 NOW.

Where we disagree is that spence having 3 belts don't mean he's a pf p fighter, unless the fighters in his division are so great. I don't think beating garcia and porter makes you a pf p fighter. Yes, ring had him top 5 but I don't think it was deserved. Do you think Inoue would be top 5 pfp if he was only ever a light flyweight, with 4 belts?
But Spence having had having 3 belts certainly had case for being no1 WW.

[HisExcellency]

Where we disagree is that spence having 3 belts don't mean he's a pf p fighter, unless the fighters in his division are so great. I don't think beating garcia and porter makes you a pf p fighter. Yes, ring had him top 5 but I don't think it was deserved. Do you think Inoue would be top 5 pfp if he was only ever a light flyweight, with 4 belts?
But Spence having had having 3 belts certainly had case for being no1 WW.

Ring’s p4p list tends to favour fighter’s in the higher weight classes unless there’s an EXCEPTIONAL little man like Inoue. Also, Spence holds victories over the likes of Ugas, Garcia, Porter & Brook who are ALL world class fighter’s and as good as any in a division EXCLUDING the elite fighters i.e. Spence + Crawford (if that makes sense).

With that in mind, I think that Errol’s top 5 p4p ranking was justified at the time.

[hugh grant]

Ring’s p4p list tends to favour fighter’s in the higher weight classes unless there’s an EXCEPTIONAL little man like Inoue. Also, Spence holds victories over the likes of Ugas, Garcia, Porter & Brook who are ALL world class fighter’s and as good as any in a division EXCLUDING the elite fighters i.e. Spence + Crawford (if that makes sense).

With that in mind, I think that Errol’s top 5 p4p ranking was justified at the time.

Yes, spence had wins over ugas, garvia, porter and brook so he had best resume at WW and deserving of being no1 WW. But he never really separated himself from them in my opinion like he was a different class to them. Yes he best them but they belonged in ring with him so to speak. Spence beats brook, yet I'm thinking if it weren't for the eye issue brook would've win type thing.
Inoue on other hand dominated fighters in his division, making them look like bums, so guys like Lance98 say they were bums?
Surely the Pac who beat Cotto beats Spence, and surely even the post koed by JMM version would be favoured to beat Spence. So what kind of pfp fighter is spence supposed to be?

[HisExcellency]

Yes, spence had wins over ugas, garvia, porter and brook so he had best resume at WW and deserving of being no1 WW. But he never really separated himself from them in my opinion like he was a different class to them. Yes he best them but they belonged in ring with him so to speak. Spence beats brook, yet I'm thinking if it weren't for the eye issue brook would've win type thing.
Inoue on other hand dominated fighters in his division, making them look like bums, so guys like Lance98 say they were bums?
Surely the Pac who beat Cotto beats Spence, and surely even the post koed by JMM version would be favoured to beat Spence. So what kind of pfp fighter is spence supposed to be?

Inoue has a 88% KO ratio so is freakishly strong for somebody who won his first world title at Flyweight. Therefore, he has God gifted knockout power which gives him an edge in the lower weight divisions where puncher's are rare. Also, bar Porter, Spence stopped Brook on foreign soil in addition to dominating victories over both Garcia and Ugas (still recovering) following his car crash so was rightfully ranked in the p4p top 5.

However, prime Pacquiao was a BEAST and certainly would've been favourite over Spence since he dropped and beat another undefeated Welterweight and KO artist in Thurman despite being 40yo.

[Lance98]

Like I said before, Donaire had already conquered FOUR weight classes when he faced Inoue. Therefore, it’s perfectly reasonable to accept a few losses (especially since he was already 36yo and constantly fighting at a higher weight). Also, 3 of his 4 losses came at the hands of UNDEFEATED fighters at the time (Walters, Magdaleno & Rigondeaux) whereas Frampton only had one loss on his resume. Therefore, all things considered, there’s NO shame in getting hurt by Donaire plus Inoue still won the fight unanimously and STOPPED him early in the rematch.

Meanwhile, Mean Machine faced Crawford straight after a DRAW against the bum Ray Robinson lol yet still DROPPED Crawford whereas despite only winning a world title at Featherweight, Gamboa climbed TWO weight divisions to face the much bigger man in Crawford yet rang his bell several times during the bout and had him doing the stanky leg.

FACTS.

Ahahaha...that's all you can conjure up? Donaire is quite washed up with multiple losses against BUMS at that point and still hurt inoue quite badly, and Inoue had to go to the hospital. Mean machine and gamboa fights weren't even close fights, and crawford was never even hurt badly. You are just reaching for straws, yet you accuse me of just hating on inoue who is undeserving of being a top pound for pound fighter. Inoue hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before, and he failed to look good in his last fight for undisputed against a very low level opponent that he took 10 rounds to finish. Where is that monster? Inoue has never even beaten a top 10 p4p fighter. Weakling...

[famicommander]

Ahahaha...that's all you can conjure up? Donaire is quite washed up with multiple losses against BUMS at that point and still hurt inoue quite badly, and Inoue had to go to the hospital. Mean machine and gamboa fights weren't even close fights, and crawford was never even hurt badly. You are just reaching for straws, yet you accuse me of just hating on inoue who is undeserving of being a top pound for pound fighter. Inoue hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before, and he failed to look good in his last fight for undisputed against a very low level opponent that he took 10 rounds to finish. Where is that monster?

Donaire has multiple losses against bums?

Besides the 5 round decision loss in his 2nd pro fight, Donaire's losses have all come against:
Guillermo Rigondeaux (undefeated at the time, unification fight)
Nicholas Walters (undefeated at the time, world title fight, retired having only lost to Lomachenko)
Jessie Magdaleno (undefeated at the time, world title fight, presently 29-2)
Carl Frampton (had 1 loss to Leo Santa Cruz at the time, world title fight, retired having only lost to Santa Cruz, Warrington, and Herring in title fights)
Naoya Inoue (undefeated, unification, lineal title fight)
Naoya Inoue again (undefeated, unification)
Alexandro Santiago (world title fight)

You ought to be able to make a case for Crawford without being an idiot and disparaging one of the greatest of all time. Nonito Donaire is a surefire first ballot Hall of Famer and both of Inoue's wins against him were great wins.

Boxing fans are disgusting sometimes. If Rigo, Walters, Magdaleno, and Frampton are bums you must not like any fighters at all.

[Lance98]

Donaire has multiple losses against bums?

Besides the 4 round decision loss in his 2nd pro fight, Donaire's losses have all come against:
Guillermo Rigondeaux (undefeated at the time, unification fight)
Nicholas Walters (undefeated at the time, world title fight, retired having only lost to Lomachenko)
Jessie Magdaleno (undefeated at the time, world title fight, presently 29-2)
Carl Frampton (had 1 loss to Leo Santa Cruz at the time, world title fight, retired having only lost to Santa Cruz, Warrington, and Herring in title fights)
Naoya Inoue (undefeated, unification, lineal title fight)
Naoya Inoue again (undefeated, unification)
Alexandro Santiago (world title fight)

You ought to be able to make a case for Crawford without being an idiot and disparaging one of the greatest of all time. Nonito Donaire is a surefire first ballot Hall of Famer and both of Inoue's wins against him were great wins.

Boxing fans are disgusting sometimes. If Rigo, Walters, Magdaleno, and Frampton are bums you must not like any fighters at all.

Those guys are not that good. Don't make me laugh. Donaire is nothing special even in his prime, not even close to the greatest of all time. GOATs won't lose the way he did to these guys. When inoue fought him, he was already shot and on his way out. You just wasted your time bringing all of this up to damage control for some old fart.

[famicommander]

Those guys are not that good. Don't make me laugh. Donaire is nothing special even in his prime, not even close to the greatest of all time. GOATs won't lose the way he did to these guys. When inoue fought him, he was already shot and on his way out. You just wasted your time bringing all of this up to damage control for some old fart.

You're a clown. For the record, I have Crawford ahead of Inoue on the P4P list because Crawford is a 3 division lineal champion while Inoue is only a two division lineal champion. But unlike you, I understand and respect the history of boxing and I don't have to insult hall of famers and champions to prop up my favorites.

Nonito Donaire vs world titlists (full Ring, WBA, WBO, WBC, or IBF only; no Regular, interim, IBO, etc):
W vs Vic Darchinyan TKO 5
W vs Moruti Mthalane TKO 6
W vs Hernan Marquez TKO 8
W vs Volodymyr Sydorenko KO 4
W vs Fernando Montiel KO 2
W vs Omar Narvaez UD 12
W vs Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. SD 12
W vs Jeffrey Mathebula UD 12
W vs Toshiaki Nishioka TKO 9
W vs Jorge Arce KO 3
L vs Guillermo Rigondeaux UD 12
W vs Vic Darchinyan TKO 9
W vs Simpiwe Vetyeka TD 5
L vs Nicholas Walters TKO 6
L vs Jessie Magdaleno UD 12
L vs Carl Frampton UD 12
W vs Ryan Burnett TKO 6
L vs Naoya Inoue UD 12
W vs Nordine Oubaali KO 4
L vs Naoya Inoue TKO 2
L vs Alexandro Santiago UD 12

Major world titles:
112: IBF
118: WBO/WBC; (first reign), WBA (second reign); WBC (third reign)
122: WBO/IBF/Ring/Lineal (first reign), WBO (second reign)
126: WBA

Fake belts: IBO 112, WBA interim 115

He won a belt by KO before both of the Inoue fights. That's what happened. You can try to rationalize it away if you want but history will remember Donaire as a first ballot Hall of Fame guy. He moved up and down between 5 divisions and fought in world title fights 16 years apart and you, an alleged boxing fan, are in here trashing him. He never ducked anybody, he travelled all around the world, he was the first to volunteer for the 24/7/365 drug testing program, and he gave us all action fights.

[JOITATS]

You're a clown. For the record, I have Crawford ahead of Inoue on the P4P list because Crawford is a 3 division lineal champion while Inoue is only a two division lineal champion. But unlike you, I understand and respect the history of boxing and I don't have to insult hall of famers and champions to prop up my favorites.

Nonito Donaire vs world titlists (full Ring, WBA, WBO, WBC, or IBF only; no Regular, interim, IBO, etc):
W vs Vic Darchinyan TKO 5
W vs Moruti Mthalane TKO 6
W vs Hernan Marquez TKO 8
W vs Volodymyr Sydorenko KO 4
W vs Fernando Montiel KO 2
W vs Omar Narvaez UD 12
W vs Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. SD 12
W vs Jeffrey Mathebula UD 12
W vs Toshiaki Nishioka TKO 9
W vs Jorge Arce KO 3
L vs Guillermo Rigondeaux UD 12
W vs Vic Darchinyan TKO 9
W vs Simpiwe Vetyeka TD 5
L vs Nicholas Walters TKO 6
L vs Jessie Magdaleno UD 12
L vs Carl Frampton UD 12
W vs Ryan Burnett TKO 6
L vs Naoya Inoue UD 12
W vs Nordine Oubaali KO 4
L vs Naoya Inoue TKO 2
L vs Alexandro Santiago UD 12

Major world titles:
112: IBF
118: WBO/WBC; (first reign), WBA (second reign); WBC (third reign)
122: WBO/IBF/Ring/Lineal (first reign), WBO (second reign)
126: WBA

Fake belts: IBO 112, WBA interim 115

He won a belt by KO before both of the Inoue fights. That's what happened. You can try to rationalize it away if you want but history will remember Donaire as a first ballot Hall of Fame guy. He moved up and down between 5 divisions and fought in world title fights 16 years apart and you, an alleged boxing fan, are in here trashing him. He never ducked anybody, he travelled all around the world, he was the first to volunteer for the 24/7/365 drug testing program, and he gave us all action fights.

There's no point in reasoning with a troll.

Lance98 is nothing but an angry loner.

It's like debating with a mentally challenged child.