Comments Thread For: Froch: Those Fights With Fury Took A lot Out of Wilder, I Think He's About Finished

[Toffee]

A prime Wilder was a guy with NBA athleticism and a rocket right hand.

A guy who was an Olympic Bronze medalist, so he apparently was skilled enough for that.

A guy the late-great Emmanuel Steward said would rule the HW division along with Tyson Fury.

Nobody ever said he was Willie Pep, but he was tall, long, fast, quick, and had one of the quickest triggers in boxing to go with that exterme power that guys who sparred with him like Richard Tower & David Haye said was much more powerful than Joshua & both the Klitschko brothers.

You don't always have to have a lot of boxing skill to do well, just like at Francis Ngannou's fight against Tyson Fury.

His talent, though totally one dimensional, is undoubted.

Where that talent took him in terms of his resume is more difficult. He just didn't fight the guys that could have allowed us to rank him highly.

That's either a good thing or a bad thing. I suspect that if he'd fought better opposition then he'd have achieved far less. Or maybe I'm writing and he'd have proven some level of greatness.

The fact that we simply don't know means that he goes in the history books as a curiosity rather than a great.

I mean even if he's out of his prime - he wasn't just defeated; he was 12 comfortable rounds worse than Joseph Parker.

[The D3vil]

His talent, though totally one dimensional, is undoubted.

Where that talent took him in terms of his resume is more difficult. He just didn't fight the guys that could have allowed us to rank him highly.

That's either a good thing or a bad thing. I suspect that if he'd fought better opposition then he'd have achieved far less. Or maybe I'm writing and he'd have proven some level of greatness.

The fact that we simply don't know means that he goes in the history books as a curiosity rather than a great.

I mean even if he's out of his prime - he wasn't just defeated; he was 12 comfortable rounds worse than Joseph Parker.

I never heard anybody say he was a great, just that he was extremely athletic & hit extremely hard, which was good enough to be at the top of the division at the time.

I don't think anybody in this era, except maybe Fury or Usyk will be in the future considered a great & that depends on what they do with the last few years of their careers.

To me, only Fury, Wilder, and Joshua mattered, and now Usyk, so I don't see all these great fighters Wilder was supposed to be fighting.

Fury & Wilder have fought

AJ & Usyk have fought.

That's all that really mattered.

Now, we just need Fury & Usyk to fight.

[Atypicalbrit]

Froch feels ****** after his prediction. His predictions are driven by emotions and nothing else; he is terrible at it.

Anyone with an open mind knew it was completely unusual of Wilder to take a fight with someone like Parker. I said it when plans for the fight was first made public: that "I would be shocked to the bones if Wilder accepted the fight". You have all now seen why.

Under his daddy's complete and careful guidance (Haymon), Wilder would never have fought Parker. Not in a hundred years. They script fights for him for a reason. And if you still think the Hellinuis, Malik Scot, and God knows how many more, were real fights, I have a continent for sale.

Froch predictions aren't surprising to me, as a fighter his heart ruled his brain, it's the same when he's picking predictions he will just go with a simplistic view on things.

[Toffee]

I never heard anybody say he was a great, just that he was extremely athletic & hit extremely hard, which was good enough to be at the top of the division at the time.

I don't think anybody in this era, except maybe Fury or Usyk will be in the future considered a great & that depends on what they do with the last few years of their careers.

To me, only Fury, Wilder, and Joshua mattered, and now Usyk, so I don't see all these great fighters Wilder was supposed to be fighting.

Fury & Wilder have fought

AJ & Usyk have fought.

That's all that really mattered.

Now, we just need Fury & Usyk to fight.

Obviously the best have to fight the best. But boxing is never just about the very top of a division. There are guys ranked 4-10 who could be fought and you're letting Wilder off the hook.

And Fury for that matter, who has spent his career arguing that people didn't need to be faced because they weren't at his level.

[The D3vil]

Obviously the best have to fight the best. But boxing is never just about the very top of a division. There are guys ranked 4-10 who could be fought and you're letting Wilder off the hook.

And Fury for that matter, who has spent his career arguing that people didn't need to be faced because they weren't at his level.

The guys from 4-10 all ****** and didn't matter.

The 3 guys we wanted to see fight each other were Joshua, Fury, and Wilder.

Nobody gave a fxck about no damn Pulev or Charles Martin ever rated them :lol1

HW has been a very, very shallow division for a long time.

[Muchen]

He was never a top guy to begin with. All he did was avoid tough fights.

He was the WBC champion for 5 years.

[daggum]

The guys from 4-10 all ****** and didn't matter.

The 3 guys we wanted to see fight each other were Joshua, Fury, and Wilder.

Nobody gave a fxck about no damn Pulev or Charles Martin ever rated them :lol1

HW has been a very, very shallow division for a long time.

parker was 4-10 for the last 5 years...he ****** so badly he easily beat wilder. fury was 7 when he beat wilder. if its so easy to beat those kind of guys why didnt wilder do it...

[daggum]

He was the WBC champion for 5 years.

and he only beat 2 top 10 fighters in 5 years. most were bums. quality over quantity. always. he was matched soft on purpose. they wanted to keep him winning to build the hype and it obviously worked because you have people like yourself saying silly things like he was champ for 5 years like it means something when his competition was woeful. the parker fight wasnt even a championship fight and he lost but i guess wilder beating gerald washington for a titlle fight is more meaningful somehow?

[The D3vil]

parker was 4-10 for the last 5 years...he ****** so badly he easily beat wilder. fury was 7 when he beat wilder. if its so easy to beat those kind of guys why didnt wilder do it...

He easily beat a 38 year old Wilder who'd fought 1 round in 2 years.

And Fury was 7 because he'd been "retired" & ballooned up to 400lbs.

If Fury never "retires", he never relinquishes the #1 spot, probably.

Wilder beat who was in front of him until he fought the best fighter in the division in Tyson Fury, fought him tooth & nail in 2 classic fights (and 1 beat down) & then he got old, lost his hunger, and became inactive.

It happens. Fighters get old and once they're rich, the loss of hunger is inevitable.

You heard Wilder after the fight talking about his money & investments & didn't even sound like he cared about fighting anymore.

[Stab Master Arson]

He was the WBC champion for 5 years.

He was a belt holder who never beat anyone. He hid in the US avoiding anyone with a pulse until he decided to cherry pick a fat, semi retired cokehead, and we saw how that went.