Joshua and Parker are the most proven heavyweights right now

[Eff Pandas]

Well, in boxing there seems to be a weight where fighters become slower movers and that is not good. Endurance suffers too as does footwork. In them modern heavyweight division 265 lbs is close to that point of becoming too slow. 300 pounds or more is a weight I have not seen a truly talented fighter.

Speed definitely becomes a rarer & rarer commodity as you go up in weight. Power becomes more impactful as you go up in weight too tho. But maybe the delivery system for that power isn't quite there if you get too big also idk.

I just think we aren't at a point where we got enough 250+ quality guys for a compelling division (already too many obv lol). Maybe in another 50-100yrs ppl will keep growing & a super heavyweight division like Moorer suggests will make more sense like we see so many 6'5+, 230+ guys these days when those types were more of an anomaly in past eras.

[100million]

Joshua closes his eyes and flinches everytime he gets hit. So no he is not

[Toffee]

A 250+ division would have very few quality guys.

Most ppl dont know this but mma has a 206-265 Heavyweight division AND a 265+ Super Heavyweight division that you'll almost never see a fight in cuz everyone who can cuts weight to 265 & the 265+ guys are mostly untalented freak shows or anomalies.

So if you had a 250+ division like Moorer suggests you'd probably have a lot of lesser talented freak show guys at 250+ in uninteresting fights while the more serious guys cut to 250 to fight at HW where more competition & more guys are at.

It wouldn't change anything.

The big men would fight who they needed to fight. It's the open division - it's not about cutting weight. And it's about more than skill, the open division factors size, strength... anything.

If you want to see highly technical fights then there are weight classes for that purpose. But if you want to know who is the best with a pair of gloves on, then you watch the heavyweight division.

Put it this way, if Usyk was Heavyweight Champion, and Fury was Super Heavyweight Champion... we'd still be asking for this fight to define who is number 1.

[Eff Pandas]

It wouldn't change anything.

The big men would fight who they needed to fight. It's the open division - it's not about cutting weight. And it's about more than skill, the open division factors size, strength... anything.

If you want to see highly technical fights then there are weight classes for that purpose. But if you want to know who is the best with a pair of gloves on, then you watch the heavyweight division.

Put it this way, if Usyk was Heavyweight Champion, and Fury was Super Heavyweight Champion... we'd still be asking for this fight to define who is number 1.

A new division would definitely change sh^t. I just don't think it changes much right now due to the depth of truely in shape 250+ guys with talent.

These bigger guys, who aren't brick sh^thouses, would drop the 10-20lbs they could stand to lose as is more than likely & compete vs the guys at 201-250. Thats where more competition & money would be for the foreseeable future. 250+ would be good for freak shows & older out of shape contenders who didn't quite reach their full potential at 201-250. Or when Fury was coming off a bender, a depression or whatever he'd probably say fook cutting weight to 250 & fight at 250+ vs low level guys for a minute.

And HW isn't an open weight division. HW is 201 to whatever weight you can manage & still get a boxing license. Asian countries are more into open weight fights in mma & other combat or like boxing in the old days where you could see a 155lb guy fight a 229lb guy & sh^t like that. Thats open weight division.

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[elfag]

Usyk got stopped by a legal body shot by Dubios, he should have given him a rematch instead of continuing on. Now there is an asterisk next to his champion status. There would not be if he gave a rematch.

[elfag]

A new division would definitely change sh^t. I just don't think it changes much right now due to the depth of truely in shape 250+ guys with talent.

These bigger guys, who aren't brick sh^thouses, would drop the 10-20lbs they could stand to lose as is more than likely & compete vs the guys at 201-250. Thats where more competition & money would be for the foreseeable future. 250+ would be good for freak shows & older out of shape contenders who didn't quite reach their full potential at 201-250. Or when Fury was coming off a bender, a depression or whatever he'd probably say fook cutting weight to 250 & fight at 250+ vs low level guys for a minute.

And HW isn't an open weight division. HW is 201 to whatever weight you can manage & still get a boxing license. Asian countries are more into open weight fights in mma & other combat or like boxing in the old days where you could see a 155lb guy fight a 229lb guy & sh^t like that. Thats open weight division.

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250 is too a high a weight. Even fury has weighed in at the 240s before. I guess it would help us not see fat slobs anymore but still almost every fighter could make 250 and the guys that really cant arent that great anyways.



open weights i feel only work when a sport is new and there are big style variances or the smaller guy can discover a technique to overcome that size advantage. basically like early UFC with BJJ guys choking out guys 50+ pounds bigger. but as the sport progresses, everyone learns all the common techniques and then size advantage matters more because now the big guys even strikers know takedown defense ect

[Eff Pandas]

250 is too a high a weight. Even fury has weighed in at the 240s before. I guess it would help us not see fat slobs anymore but still almost every fighter could make 250 and the guys that really cant arent that great anyways.

Agree obviously.

open weights i feel only work when a sport is new and there are big style variances or the smaller guy can discover a technique to overcome that size advantage. basically like early UFC with BJJ guys choking out guys 50+ pounds bigger. but as the sport progresses, everyone learns all the common techniques and then size advantage matters more because now the big guys even strikers know takedown defense ect

Yea tend to agree here too. True open weight fights are a freak show thing or emerging sport thing.

[Willow The Wisp]

They fought the best competition. I don`t say they are N.1. and 2. they are just the most proven. You win some, you lose some, that is what happens when you fight often top competition.

Makhmudov failed badly at first step up, Yoka also. Wilder got beaten by both world class fighters he ever faced. It is not easy to compete at high level. It is easier to say you are good while fighting bums.

Support for your absolute favs, We get it.

Want proven? Let's see if Joshua can flatten Ngannou, and if hot & cold Parker can hang with Zhang.

[Toffee]

A new division would definitely change sh^t. I just don't think it changes much right now due to the depth of truely in shape 250+ guys with talent.

These bigger guys, who aren't brick sh^thouses, would drop the 10-20lbs they could stand to lose as is more than likely & compete vs the guys at 201-250. Thats where more competition & money would be for the foreseeable future. 250+ would be good for freak shows & older out of shape contenders who didn't quite reach their full potential at 201-250. Or when Fury was coming off a bender, a depression or whatever he'd probably say fook cutting weight to 250 & fight at 250+ vs low level guys for a minute.

And HW isn't an open weight division. HW is 201 to whatever weight you can manage & still get a boxing license. Asian countries are more into open weight fights in mma & other combat or like boxing in the old days where you could see a 155lb guy fight a 229lb guy & sh^t like that. Thats open weight division.

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You don't have to be 201+ to fight in the heavyweight division. Roy Jones Jr wasn't.

It is the open class. Anyone, in theory, can fight for the Heavyweight title if they're good enough.

Divisions are for smaller guys to be able to compete. When you're talking about the heavyweight champion of the world - it's not divisional. They are the world champion.

[Eff Pandas]

You don't have to be 201+ to fight in the heavyweight division. Roy Jones Jr wasn't.

It is the open class. Anyone, in theory, can fight for the Heavyweight title if they're good enough.

Divisions are for smaller guys to be able to compete. When you're talking about the heavyweight champion of the world - it's not divisional. They are the world champion.

Its not open. No you can't. This isn't the wild wild west of boxing like in the Sam Langford days.

In 2003 cruiserweight had a 190lb weight limit. Toney fought Jirov for a CW belt that year, look it up. RJJ was 193lbs vs Ruiz, the same year, which at that time made him a HW.