Joshua and Parker are the most proven heavyweights right now

[Atypicalbrit]

Well Usyk beat Joshua ... TWICE. IMO, he is the most proven. Nobody who was semi awake in the Joshua vs. Parker fight years ago want to see them go at it again.

Usyk isn't proven at heavyweight at all, he has 2 good wins against AJ but no other relevant wins, he's shown he can beat one style at heavyweight, AJ's style.

[Eff Pandas]

Usyk isn't proven at heavyweight at all, he has 2 good wins against AJ but no other relevant wins, he's shown he can beat one style at heavyweight, AJ's style.

The fook?!?!?

Beating a top 3 guy at HW doesn't prove you at HW?

Wtf do you gotta do to be proven at HW? Beat a top 3 guy & fook his gf & mom in front of him.

[Atypicalbrit]

The fook?!?!?

Beating a top 3 guy at HW doesn't prove you at HW?

Wtf do you gotta do to be proven at HW? Beat a top 3 guy & fook his gf & mom in front of him.

Beat at least a handful of top fighters.

Are we really at the point where that's too much to ask for a guy to prove themselves.

People are already trying to say Usyk has almost surpassed Holyfield as a cruiser who went up to heavyweight.

Have you seen the amount of ****ing top fighters holyfield fought and beat, the man fought Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Moore, Mercer, Ruiz, Valuev, Holmes, Doakes, Cooper, Douglas, Thomas, Quawi I could go on all day baby.

And people want to talk about Usyk in the same vein for beating Bredis, Gassiev, Bellew, AJ And Chisora

The standards for these modern guys are ****ing dirt low man.

Holyfield, if he retired BEFORE HIS FIRST LOSS, had wins over Quawi, Holmes, Foreman, Douglas and Cooper

That's a better resume than Usyk BEFORE HIS FIRST LOSS

That's without the Bowe and Tyson wins which obliterate anything Usyk had, and a bunch of other wins that are equal to any win Usyk has.

This is what I mean by PROVING yourself.

All Usyk has proven is he's a decent fighter, nothing more, there ain't no "greatness" to see here, not historically.

[TMLT87]

I respect that they've both fought a relatively decent amount of top names (so has Dillian Shyte tbf) but the main thing thats been proven is that they're not the top 2 HWs. I do favour Parker to get the UD over Zhang though.

[Eff Pandas]

Beat at least a handful of top fighters.

Are we really at the point where that's too much to ask for a guy to prove themselves.

People are already trying to say Usyk has almost surpassed Holyfield as a cruiser who went up to heavyweight.

Have you seen the amount of ****ing top fighters holyfield fought and beat, the man fought Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Moore, Mercer, Ruiz, Valuev, Holmes, Doakes, Cooper, Douglas, Thomas, Quawi I could go on all day baby.

And people want to talk about Usyk in the same vein for beating Bredis, Gassiev, Bellew, AJ And Chisora

The standards for these modern guys are ****ing dirt low man.

Holyfield, if he retired BEFORE HIS FIRST LOSS, had wins over Quawi, Holmes, Foreman, Douglas and Cooper

That's a better resume than Usyk BEFORE HIS FIRST LOSS

That's without the Bowe and Tyson wins which obliterate anything Usyk had, and a bunch of other wins that are equal to any win Usyk has.

This is what I mean by PROVING yourself.

All Usyk has proven is he's a decent fighter, nothing more, there ain't no "greatness" to see here, not historically.

Oh. You're on that fantasy all time great bullsh^t lol.

Yea I'm not really into fantasy **** measuring current mfers with retired & dead mfers all that much.

I mostly am invested in our current living reality & Usyk is a bad mfer vs the guys of today & is already a HOF lock to be among the guys you are comparing him against.

[Dr. Z]

Usyk isn't proven at heavyweight at all, he has 2 good wins against AJ but no other relevant wins, he's shown he can beat one style at heavyweight, AJ's style.

Usky is proven as an amateur, a cruiser weight and as a heavyweight. Focus on the quality of opponents beaten, not the quality of them at heavyweight. Name me 5 active heavyweights with better wins in the last 5 years. Go on, I'll be waiting....


https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/659772

[PRINCEKOOL]

Tyson Fury is rated as the number 1 Heavyweight in the world, mainly due to his two mega wins vs Kiltschko and Wilder 'But apart from those wins, Fury is a inexperienced Heavyweight at World and Elite level'.

Anthony Joshua is the most thoroughly tested and proven fighter in the Heavyweight Division.

Joshua has fought and beaten the most top level Heavyweights, out of all current active Heavyweights.

Joshua has been competitive in every single fight, he has ever fought in 'On his worst night vs Ruiz Junior I, he was competitive. And during both fights with Oleksandr Uysk'.

Anthony Joshua's level as a fighter is no mystery 'Joshua has been a proven World to a Elite level Heavyweight since beating Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'

Joshua beat the version of Kiltschko, who Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch 'But Fury did not turn up to fight that battle, due to pulling out of that fight twice unfortunately due to his circumstance'.

Note: Both Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Usyk skill for skill, throughout their careers have been more thoroughly tested fighters than Tyson Fury. Fury vs Uysk is projected for May 18th 'Tyson Fury skill for skill, is not the best fighters Uysk has fought. This is what people need to understand, Uysk has fought better fighters than Fury at Cruiserweight, and there is also evidence that he has also already fought and beaten a better Heavyweight in Anthony Joshua twice'.

Nobody can sit here and tell me, that Fury is a superior combination puncher than Joshua. Nobody can claim that Fury has more punching power than Joshua, and Fury definitely is clearly not as fundamentally sound and technically correct as Joshua 'Joshua for me is definitely for sure, a superior fighter to Fury in certain area's of his game'.

Tyson Fury is also superior to Anthony Joshua in certain aspects of his game, that statement can be applied to both fighters.

Note: Overall Anthony Joshua is definitely for sure the most tested Heavyweight, and on current form I would say? That Oleksandr Uysk has been fighting at the highest level 'Usyk has been winning fights, were he has been stylistically challenged'.

One of the last real version of a Derek Chisora who trained to win, Anthony Joshua twice back to back and then Daniel Dubois 'All of those fighters have the attributes which stylistically challenge Oleksandr Uysk. Power, brute strength, agression, the ability to throw punch combinations, and rough house tactics in Chisora's case.

Tyson Fury if you really check his career, the last time he was stylistically in a challenging fight was vs Wladimir KIltschko 'That was the last time he was in a fight, were his opponent had elite level boxing skills, combined with power'.

Tyson Fury won 1 fight with Kiltschko, then did not turn up for the battle in the second fight unfortunately due to his circumstance.

Since that fight? Tyson Fury really has fought opponents who stylistically have not challenged him 'The Deontay Wilder tribology, really should not of been such a mighty struggle for Tyson Fury'.

Everyone who is honest knows Fury chose to fight Wilder over Joshua 'Because Wilder at that time, was deemed to be stylistically the easier fight'. Both Fury and Wilder fought each other, because they believed the match up was stylistically a easier fight for them both compared to Anthony Joshua.

Deontay Wilder really should of been a straight forward fight for Tyson Fury 'But it was not. There is evidence that the trauma of the tribology has damaged Tyson Fury'.

If Deontay Wilder did not have his punching power 'Skill for skill, Wilder's pure boxing skills are around domestic to European level'.

Tyson Fury on average out weighed Deontay Wilder by 40 + pounds in every single fight 'So not only was Wilder skill for skill, not on Fury's level. Fury was also out weighing Wilder by a considerable amount'.

Still in that type of stylistic match up Tyson Fury was pushed to his limits and beyond 'Fury did not win the first fight, it was correctly given as a draw. I know the statistics of the fight, and there is no way that Tyson Fury won that fight, if any fighter should of been given the win? That fighter was Deontay Wilder'.

Then we have the second fight 'Great performance and win in terms of historical magnitude for Tyson Fury. But really in my opinion, the fight should not of been stopped 'You don't pull a fighter like Deontay Wilder, out of a Championship fight when? He is still fighting back, and trying to win. No matter how futile his efforts may have seemed, the man was still trying to win'.

I understand why the fight was stopped, from a compassionate perspective but really? This is World Championship boxing,if a fighter is going to put it all on the line 'And leave it all in the ring, it is during a World Championship fight'.

The third Deontay Wilder fight was a great event, awesome passion and competition between the fighters 'But skill for skill, it was not a high level fight'. Both fighters from round 2 to 3 onwards, were technically all over the place'.

If Wilder was a more technically correct fighter in terms of having more variation with punchers 'For me he really should of beaten Tyson Fury'. Fury in that fight was making unforced errors, like a domestic level fighter.

It is still a great win for Tyson Fury, but it actual action 'For me was not really on the level of Oleksandr Uysk vs Anthony Joshua I & II'.

I personally enjoyed the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy more than any other boxing event in this entire era 'But I understand that the actual highest level boxing match skill for skill that has taken place in this Heavyweight era has been: Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II'.

Those two fights between Joshua and Uysk displayed the highest level of Heavyweight boxing action skill for skill of this era 'The second fight, is the fight which overall is the highest level Heavyweight boxing match of this era'.

Skill for skill between both fighters, they fought a great fight 'Joshua actually in retrospect, there was nothing wrong with his game plan. Joshua quite simply just was beaten by the better fighter on that night' etc.

[MulaKO]

Clearly you can see the AJ nuthuggers especially who enjoys writing novels about him
Gtfoh

[kafkod]

Usyk got stopped by a legal body shot by Dubios, he should have given him a rematch instead of continuing on. Now there is an asterisk next to his champion status. There would not be if he gave a rematch.

Usyk didn't get stopped, Dubois did.

The punch that dropped Usyk was not legal because it was called low by the ref and the ref's call was upheld by the WBA on appeal.

[elfag]

Usyk isn't proven at heavyweight at all, he has 2 good wins against AJ but no other relevant wins, he's shown he can beat one style at heavyweight, AJ's style.

well AJ had 24 rounds to prove himself against Usyk and he couldnt, he lost to a cruiserweight so I dont rank him very high