Comments Thread For: Wilder Stands Firm on Cheating Claims: I Know What Tyson Fury Did, I Have Proof of A lot of Things

[kafkod]

Without knowing what "proof" Wilder thinks he has and what the contracts are, it's all supposition.

And cheating in a pro boxing match isn't necessarily illegal. In fact, it's not USUALLY illegal.

Fury has already cheated once. Just got given a postdated suspension.

Even some of the most egregious cases of cheating in boxing history didn't lead to jail time or court. Margarito loading his gloves vs Cotto... One year suspension. No real criminal penalties. Tyson biting Holyfield. Legendary, led to a DQ, but no criminal penalties. Hundreds, probably thousands of examples of doping. Heck, David Benavidez committed a federal felony doing *******. Did he serve even a day of jail time? How about Jarrell Miller?

The only one I know of that led to jail time was Reston v Collins.

I think you're vastly overestimating how much cheating in boxing counts as criminal conduct. It's EXCEEDINGLY rare for courts to get involved. It gets left to the corrupt commissions and alphabet organizations and state licensing the overwhelming majority of the time.

I'm finding it difficult to even imagine how proof of cheating in a boxing match could come to be covered by a NDA. Whether or not the cheating itself could lead to goal time is irrelevant. Like I said, a lot of money changes hands as a direct consequence of the outcome of a big fight. Concealing evidence which would have led to a different outcome would be illegal, if both the evidence and proof that it was concealed came to light.


"I think you're vastly overestimating how much cheating in boxing counts as criminal conduct. It's EXCEEDINGLY rare for courts to get involved. It gets left to the corrupt commissions and alphabet organizations and state licensing the overwhelming majority of the time."

Different subject, really. But the reason why so few blatant and violent fouls in contact sports end up in court is that, usually, nobody complains to the police about them.

[Smash]

wilder probably took that psycho active brew, forget its name now & it revealed all but hes forgotten most of it after it wears off

[pollywog]

Ok, if Deontay Wilder doesn’t have the proof or evidence that Fury cheated; Then why don’t Tyson Fury sue him for slander and defamation of character.

Cos Fury doesn't give a toss what Wilder says.

Wilder's not worth the time, money or energy to engage with either personally or legally.

[Cypocryphy]

It's not "any kind of wrongdoing" in either place. It's specifically "illegal activity". Being illegal in boxing is not the same as being illegal in society. There's a lot of things that aren't allowed by commissions, etc, but you're not going to go to jail for breaking those rules. So that's particular exception doesn't do you any good unless you have been sued.

Again, I am not saying I believe Wilder. I do think Fury is a cheat. In fact, he's a proven cheat, who got off light by playing the mental health card. Whether he did in their fights or not, I do not know. But suing for defamation allows a lot of things to enter evidence that wouldn't otherwise be permitted. So we'll see if he ever uses Wilder. I really doubt he will.

I think the question is not why hasn’t Fury sued for defamation but why hasn’t Wilder sued for aggravated assault. If he has the evidence he alleges, such as “loaded gloves,” you’d have to assume that he would have pursued legal action. It’s more telling that he hasn’t gone that route than it is for Fury to take legal action. I don’t know what the statute of limitations is on that claim but it might even be too late. The fact that people laugh at Wilder and his claims, that he’s the butt of every joke, likely dissuades Fury from having to go through the hassle of suing. I don’t believe he pays attention to Wilder, in all honesty.

[kafkod]

[pollywog]

That feeling of waking up every morning and thinking i gotta service my greatness creates its own pressure, one that requires a quick release...

Deontay is blessed to have Malik around to help!

[crimsonfalcon07]

I'm finding it difficult to even imagine how proof of cheating in a boxing match could come to be covered by a NDA. Whether or not the cheating itself could lead to goal time is irrelevant. Like I said, a lot of money changes hands as a direct consequence of the outcome of a big fight. Concealing evidence which would have led to a different outcome would be illegal, if both the evidence and proof that it was concealed came to light.

There's a ton of things that would lead to that outcome. I'm pretty sure at this point you're not an attorney, and that you're vastly overestimating the illegal nature of cheating in boxing and its effect on contracts. Either you accept that there's a possibility that there's a legal reason that Wilder can't reveal what he knows (if he knows anything, which, well, it's Wilder...), or you don't. If you think you're enough of a legal expert to be confident that there's no way that Wilder wouldn't be protected if he revealed his proof, then there's really no point continuing this discussion. I'm confident that's not the case, so we're naturally at an impasse here, and it's all speculation anyways, so what's the point anyways?

Not to mention, we're dealing with Wilder and Fury here, so that's a LOT of crazy. Either way, how much more of your time is pure speculation worth?

[greeneye99]

Fury is a fucking thug who has been linked to organized crime. So anything is possible.

That's Not Possible
Because
Wilder is still talking about the Fury cheated claims......
Sooo Again
Fury didn't pay Wilder anything to remain silent because Wilder is still making claims that Fury cheated
Do you understand Now?
Sheeesh
Your point makes no sense....

[kafkod]

There's a ton of things that would lead to that outcome. I'm pretty sure at this point you're not an attorney, and that you're vastly overestimating the illegal nature of cheating in boxing and its effect on contracts. Either you accept that there's a possibility that there's a legal reason that Wilder can't reveal what he knows (if he knows anything, which, well, it's Wilder...), or you don't. If you think you're enough of a legal expert to be confident that there's no way that Wilder wouldn't be protected if he revealed his proof, then there's really no point continuing this discussion. I'm confident that's not the case, so we're naturally at an impasse here, and it's all speculation anyways, so what's the point anyways?

Not to mention, we're dealing with Wilder and Fury here, so that's a LOT of crazy. Either way, how much more of your time is pure speculation worth?

Ok, so neither of us are attorneys, but one of us has signed a NDA and been briefed on what is and isn't covered by it. The NDA I signed could not have been used to cover up breaches of rules and regulations at work, which the company and employees like me had agreed to abide by. Whether breaking those rules was actually illegal or not was irrelevant.

And btw, the things Wilder has been accusing Fury of - loading gloves with egg weights, conspiring with a trainer to poison a fighter's water - would definitely be illegal, as well against the rules of the game.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

I had never heard of Ayahuasca, so I was curious.

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Wilder on DMT sounds like a dangerous situation

"Ayahuasca is what you make it" this sounds like something I would like to try, DMT, not so much.

DMT is awesome , it's the****utic. It doesn't last that long and you feel refreshed after. I'd recommend it to anyone. It's not difficult to make either. YouTube can teach you everything that you need to know.