Comments Thread For: Prograis On Haney-Loma: At First, Honestly, I Thought Loma Won; Probably Could've Been Draw

[Cypocryphy]

Great observation! I guess he must have forgot that Prograis is the champion this time around and not Devin Haney because this fight is at 140

Prograis has to stop Devin if he wants to win. The fight is not in Vegas, but once again, the Haneys set all the rules and probably ensured certain judges will be present. Regis is probably not going to outpoint Devin anyway, but his only chance to "take it" from Devin is to send Devin to the shadow realm.

[crimsonfalcon07]

It was a close fight so however people scored it is up to them. But hate hearing the 'you have to take it from the champion' line. Not part of the scoring criteria, and anybody who gives a guy a close round just because he's the champ shouldn't score fights anymore.

This particular line comes from the fact that the champ retains in the case of a tie. You actually have to win, even on a close disputed split, in order to win the belt. A tie isn't good enough. Leonard v Hagler is a good example of a challenger taking the title on a disputed split (which Dave Moretti was also involved in, on the wrong side as always, since he's a corrupt POS).

But ****** people have made it into something it never was. Drives me nuts. It doesn't mean the champ gets the nod in every close round. Plenty of champs have gotten their titles in close fights and split decisions against a defending champion.

[Cypocryphy]

This particular line comes from the fact that the champ retains in the case of a tie. You actually have to win, even on a close disputed split, in order to win the belt. A tie isn't good enough. Leonard v Hagler is a good example of a challenger taking the title on a disputed split (which Dave Moretti was also involved in, on the wrong side as always, since he's a corrupt POS).

But ****** people have made it into something it never was. Drives me nuts. It doesn't mean the champ gets the nod in every close round. Plenty of champs have gotten their titles in close fights and split decisions against a defending champion.

Bingo. Someone needs to shout this from the rooftops so we stop hearing these clowns use this as a way of justifying a robbery. That's the only time we hear it now, is in controversial fights, justifying why the outcome is different from what the world saw.

[champion4ever]

Prograis has to stop Devin if he wants to win. The fight is not in Vegas, but once again, the Haneys set all the rules and probably ensured certain judges will be present. Regis is probably not going to outpoint Devin anyway, but his only chance to "take it" from Devin is to send Devin to the shadow realm.

I most certainly agree!

[crimsonfalcon07]

Bingo. Someone needs to shout this from the rooftops so we stop hearing these clowns use this as a way of justifying a robbery. That's the only time we hear it now, is in controversial fights, justifying why the outcome is different from what the world saw.

Seriously. EVERY time it gets used, it's to justify a robbery. Even hear it from people who really ought to know better.

I comment every time I hear it to try to correct the record, but it feels like shouting into the wind.

Usually the same people say things like, "it's a close fight so it could have gone either way," as if it's impossible to have a close fight that's clearly won by one fighter. MOST fights at top level are close, often razor thin. If there's no way to tell which fighter actually won based on what they do in the ring according to the rules, they might just as well flip a coin to decide the winner, and save themselves a ton of TBI and wear and tear.

[MulaKO]

What the FU(K are you talking about?

Couldn’t have said it better Rexy
Blah blah blah and this conversation is going nowhere
I think he just enjoys spewing chit out for no fughin apparent reason
Lmfao

[Cypocryphy]

Seriously. EVERY time it gets used, it's to justify a robbery. Even hear it from people who really ought to know better.

I comment every time I hear it to try to correct the record, but it feels like shouting into the wind.

Usually the same people say things like, "it's a close fight so it could have gone either way," as if it's impossible to have a close fight that's clearly won by one fighter. MOST fights at top level are close, often razor thin. If there's no way to tell which fighter actually won based on what they do in the ring according to the rules, they might just as well flip a coin to decide the winner, and save themselves a ton of TBI and wear and tear.

Absolutely. I think it feels like shouting in the wind because of the level of dishonesty in this sport. People are so dishonest in this sport. People actually do know better, but because they are emotionally and/or financially invested in either a fighter or outcome , in Regis' case, viewing the situation from an egocentric perspective, they will blatantly lie. I know Regis is saying this because he's the champion, and he doesn't want a close fight just to swing Devin's way as he's the champion. Before he signed to fight Devin, he said he thought Loma won. As soon as this fight was signed, he changed his tune and started saying "to be the champ, you have to beat the camp." He wants that rule to apply to himself in this fight. That's what I think.

There will always be people denying this. However, people will eventually read your post here and realize the reality of the situation. I made a post a long time ago about Floyd never fighting anyone with a reach advantage. No one really ever highlighted that before or even mentioned it. Now, I hear people on YouTube bringing that up time and time again. So people do read these threads. Your shouting is not in vain. It does reach people.

[champion4ever]

What the FU(K are you talking about?

What I'm saying is that the B fighter must be willing to engage and take risks in order to take the titles away from the champion. In my judgement; Loma did not do that. He left too many rounds on the table without doing nothing.

He wasn't letting his hands go enough, he was spotting Devin rounds where he did almost next to nothing in them. In a close fight; The B- fighter cannot reasonably expect to win titles from the champion that way.

Loma competed but he did not win it.