Comments Thread For: Ricky Hatton, Diego Corrales, Calderon, Moorer Among 2024 Boxing Hall of Fame Class

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

Bradley won titles in 2 divisons. It's so many fighters with that resume that's not in the hall of fame like Zab Judah

Every fighter that won titles in 4 divisions is in. That's the difference.

Bradley beat better fighters for sure. But it's guys with better resumes that aren't in the hall of fame.

Bradley being on tv for the last 5 years helped him get votes imo. If he retired and we never seen him again. I don't think he would already be in the hall of fame

Firstly, I disagree with the comparison between Bradley and Judah because Bradley just has better wins at a higher volume.

Secondly, who has a better resume and isn't in the hall of fame?

Thirdly, there's no criteria for the hall of fame about winning titles in multiple divisions. There's guys in the hall of fame who have only won a world title in one. In previous era's a multiple weight world champion held weight unlike Broner's era where there 68 world titles available.

Finally, I disagree about TV helping Bradley because he's accolades are better than some fighters already in the hall of fame.

[Hustle]

Firstly, I disagree with the comparison between Bradley and Judah because Bradley just has better wins at a higher volume.

Secondly, who has a better resume and isn't in the hall of fame?

Thirdly, there's no criteria for the hall of fame about winning titles in multiple divisions. There's guys in the hall of fame who have only won a world title in one. In previous era's a multiple weight world champion held weight unlike Broner's era where there 68 world titles available.

Finally, I disagree about TV helping Bradley because he's accolades are better than some fighters already in the hall of fame.

I asked you to name me somebody not in with titles in 4 divisions. You can't which means broner will continue that trend and so will mikey garcia.

As far as Bradley and Zab. They are both 2 division champs in the same divisions. Zab was undisputed tho. Tim wasn't. Zab is equivalent to Bradley.

Who has a better resume that's not in? Michael Nunn

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

I asked you to name me somebody not in with titles in 4 divisions. You can't which means broner will continue that trend and so will mikey garcia.

As far as Bradley and Zab. They are both 2 division champs in the same divisions. Zab was undisputed tho. Tim wasn't. Zab is equivalent to Bradley.

Who has a better resume that's not in? Michael Nunn

The argument of because every four weight world champion eligible for the hall of fame is in doesn't mean automatically Broner will make it. There's no criteria on being a multiple champion to enter the hall of fame. Show me a four weight world champion with as weak resume as Broner? There isn't because Broner best win is either Paulie or Demarco.

Zab isn't equivalent to Bradley because his body of work isn't greater. Zab doesn't have as many quality wins as Bradley or a victory over a hall of famer like Bradley. Again being undisputed isn't a criteria for the hall of fame. Beating a Marquez carriers more weight than beating Corey Spinks for undisputed and winning a vacant world title in a fourth division against Allakhverdiev.

Micheal Nunn should be in the hall of fame I won't debate that nor will I argue Bradley has a better resume because even though it is debatable.

I'll end by saying Broner hall of fame entry is dependant on winning four world titles because his resume is beyond poor. Name another four weight world champion with a resume anywhere near as poor? There isn't because many those four weight world champions entry into the hall of fame wasn't dependent on how many trinkets collected.

[IronDanHamza]

The argument of because every four weight world champion eligible for the hall of fame is in doesn't mean automatically Broner will make it. There's no criteria on being a multiple champion to enter the hall of fame. Show me a four weight world champion with as weak resume as Broner? There isn't because Broner best win is either Paulie or Demarco.

Zab isn't equivalent to Bradley because his body of work isn't greater. Zab doesn't have as many quality wins as Bradley or a victory over a hall of famer like Bradley. Again being undisputed isn't a criteria for the hall of fame. Beating a Marquez carriers more weight than beating Corey Spinks for undisputed and winning a vacant world title in a fourth division against Allakhverdiev.

Micheal Nunn should be in the hall of fame I won't debate that nor will I argue Bradley has a better resume because even though it is debatable.

I'll end by saying Broner hall of fame entry is dependant on winning four world titles because his resume is beyond poor. Name another four weight world champion with a resume anywhere near as poor? There isn't because many those four weight world champions entry into the hall of fame wasn't dependent on how many trinkets collected.

Also, two is the four belts Broner won were vacant against unranked opponents.

And none of the four belts were for the Lineal belt.

And the only one that’s even impressive is DeMarco and even then, it’s DeMarco, far from an elite fighter.

How many fighters has Broner beaten in the Top 5? I think it’s 2. It could even be just one (DeMarco) because I’m not sure if Pauli was in the Top 5 when he beat him.

If Broner got in the HOF it would be a genuine travesty. There are some poor entrants but that would be BY FAR the worst.

[Hustle]

The argument of because every four weight world champion eligible for the hall of fame is in doesn't mean automatically Broner will make it. There's no criteria on being a multiple champion to enter the hall of fame. Show me a four weight world champion with as weak resume as Broner? There isn't because Broner best win is either Paulie or Demarco.

Zab isn't equivalent to Bradley because his body of work isn't greater. Zab doesn't have as many quality wins as Bradley or a victory over a hall of famer like Bradley. Again being undisputed isn't a criteria for the hall of fame. Beating a Marquez carriers more weight than beating Corey Spinks for undisputed and winning a vacant world title in a fourth division against Allakhverdiev.

Micheal Nunn should be in the hall of fame I won't debate that nor will I argue Bradley has a better resume because even though it is debatable.

I'll end by saying Broner hall of fame entry is dependant on winning four world titles because his resume is beyond poor. Name another four weight world champion with a resume anywhere near as poor? There isn't because many those four weight world champions entry into the hall of fame wasn't dependent on how many trinkets collected.

Mikey Garcia is the 4 division champ with a equally weak resume to answer your question.

And bradley beat a 40 year old marquez by the skin of his teeth. Thats not some impressive feat Bradley is supppse to beat a Marquez who wasn't even a welterweight. Marquez beat 1 welterweight and that guy started at 108 pounds.

Judah undisputed > Bradley fake win against pac to become champ at 147

Broner is the youngest fighter to ever win titles in 4 weight classes. He's getting in the hall of fame and Mikey García is too

[Hustle]

Also, two is the four belts Broner won were vacant against unranked opponents.

And none of the four belts were for the Lineal belt.

And the only one that’s even impressive is DeMarco and even then, it’s DeMarco, far from an elite fighter.

How many fighters has Broner beaten in the Top 5? I think it’s 2. It could even be just one (DeMarco) because I’m not sure if Pauli was in the Top 5 when he beat him.

If Broner got in the HOF it would be a genuine travesty. There are some poor entrants but that would be BY FAR the worst.

So that's worst than gatti? Gtfoh....

[IronDanHamza]

So that's worst than gatti? Gtfoh....

Yeah maybe not.

Gatti’s in there for his fights not his achievements.

Which is wrong.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

Mikey Garcia is the 4 division champ with a equally weak resume to answer your question.

And bradley beat a 40 year old marquez by the skin of his teeth. Thats not some impressive feat Bradley is supppse to beat a Marquez who wasn't even a welterweight. Marquez beat 1 welterweight and that guy started at 108 pounds.

Judah undisputed > Bradley fake win against pac to become champ at 147

Broner is the youngest fighter to ever win titles in 4 weight classes. He's getting in the hall of fame and Mikey García is too

Let's break this down.


Adrien Broner is a four-weight world champion with five wins against former champions Daniel Ponce de León, Antonio DeMarco, Gavin Rees, Paul Malignaggi, and Khabib Allakhverdiev. None of these men were undefeated at the time of facing Broner. Malignaggi and Demarco were the only current champions Broner beat, with the other two world titles being vacant, which Broner won against Allakhverdiev and Martin Rodriguez. Furthermore, Demarco is the only former or current champion Broner beat, ranked within the top five of their division.

For Context, Arturo Gatti is a two-weight world champion with eight wins against former champions Jose Sanabria, Tracy Harris Patterson (twice), Calvin Grove, Gabriel Ruelas, Joey Gamache, Terron Millett, Leonard Dorin, and Jesse James Leija. Gatti beat two undefeated fighters, future champion Leonard Dorin and Gianluca Branco, for a vacant title. Furthermore, Patterson is the only former or current world champion Beat ranked in their division's top five.

The only accomplishment Broner has over Gatti is winning two more vacant titles.

Let us examine this further; Mikey Garcia is a four-weight world champion with eleven wins against former world champions Mauricio Pastrana, Jonathan Victor Barros, Orlando Salido, Juan Manuel Lopez, Roman Martinez, Elio Rojas, Dejan Zlaticanin, Adrien Broner, Sergey Lipinets, Robert Easter Jr, and Jessie Vargas. Garcia beat three current undefeated champions in Zlaticanin, Lipinets, and Easter - Garcia never challenged for a vacant title, with his other world title wins coming against Orlando Salido and Roman Martinez. Furthermore, Salido, Martinez, Zlaticanin, and Easter were ranked among their divisions' top five.

Your exact words were, "Mikey Garcia is the 4 division champ with an equally weak resume." However, the statistics prove that unequivocally false, with Garcia beating more than doubling, former, current and top five champions beaten over Broner.

Finally, I'll quickly elaborate on my point about Marquez. Marquez was ranked within the top three at welterweight and on the pound-for-pound list before facing Bradley. Furthermore, he was coming off his biggest career win, a knockout of the year against number-rated pound-for-pound Manny Pacquiao. That said, I'll reiterate my point about the Marquez victory carrying more weight than beating Corey Soinks for undisputed and Allakhverdiev for a fourth world title.

[Toffee]

Hamed didn't he had long reign at 126 pounds. I would say Gatti lowered the bar to the point that if he is in then why not these other guys. When Moorer is in will there be any debate now with Wilder and Joshua...

With Bowe in they pretty much all get in.

[low blows]

With Bowe in they pretty much all get in.

Yes I sadly agree lower weight East Asian legends are ignored but multiple time first defense lineal champions are in?