Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: "If Canelo's Gonna Be Called One Of The Greatest Mexicans, He Has To Fight Benavidez"

[Oracle01]

“Tramples?” Based on what? He couldn’t KO Plant who was making Benavidez look silly before he gassed. What based off Benavidez beating undersized DOO DOO? He couldn’t KO him either, doo doo quit.

For all the sh.it Canelo got about fighting Charlo, those same haters are real quiet about doo doo who really was undersized at 168, looked like a midget next to Benavidez and straight up quit as soon as the going got tough. He was 35 years old, what do the haters keep saying about Canelo? The 35 year olds he fought were old men, all of a sudden 35 year old Doo Doo is a prime fighter. He really was there just for a paycheck, especially at that age.

Anyone who starts their argument with 'couldn't KO Plant' instantly exposes themselves as a casual. Such a dumb point. Totally not relevant, even ignoring the fact Benavidez beat the crap out of Plant who is a very slick defensive fighter, so what do you think he would do to a flat footed midget who will be standing infront of Benavidez from round 1 and gasses by round 6?. He would beat the total crap out of Canelo.

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Anyone who starts their argument with 'couldn't KO Plant' instantly exposes themselves as a casual. Such a dumb point. Totally not relevant, even ignoring the fact Benavidez beat the crap out of Plant who is a very slick defensive fighter, so what do you think he would do to a flat footed midget who will be standing infront of Benavidez from round 1 and gasses by round 6?. He would beat the total crap out of Canelo.

A casual? Funny coming from a guy that would wash Benavidez’s nut sack if given the chance.

Benavidez couldn’t KO Plant and had a garbage win vs OLD, undersized quitter in Andrade.

[BodyBagz]

I agree with you, ggg had a terrible resume. Has, broner has a better resume then ggg.

GGG's only threat was Nelo.
Everyone else was a gggimme

[james240]

A casual? Funny coming from a guy that would wash Benavidez’s nut sack if given the chance.

Benavidez couldn’t KO Plant and had a garbage win vs OLD, undersized quitter in Andrade.

Whenever the term Casual is thrown around it immediately devalues whatever point you are trying to make.

Oracle would be the first one claiming Andrade was 35yrs old and Canelo just beat a washed out Bum.

All of a sudden Benavidez is some sort of god killer which will decimate a ATG in Canelo.

Its the fight to make next for sure but the double standards around here is criminally funny.

[b Murphington]

I don’t usually do this but let’s unpack everything you just said.

gggs career and how it unfolded including his populairiy has absolutely nothing to do with nothing. He had his career to his path the way he did made choices and those are the results only has himself to blame but at the same time what’s to blame? Had a good career made great money and still has his screws on tight, great career. Zero to do with canelo.

canelo started his professional career at 15 yrs old ggg didn’t. By the time canelo was 30 he was already a star. Again, different career paths but neither has anything to do with the others. Saying they’d had similar careers had this or that had happens is pure speculation and something we will never know because what we got is what we got out of ggg and canelo.

canelo was the A side for all 3 of their bouts. If canelo chose to not fight ggg until he did he earned that right. My argument about that, was that canelo didn’t choose to vacate the belt when he did to avoid ggg it was to avoid the purse bid splits that ggg did not warrant. Simple. If take that as a duck or waiting him out, more power to you but that’s hard to believe considering they ended up fighting 3 times. Plus it’s always a business first, pen to paper before gloves to face.

of course ggg signed with DAZN! Why wouldn’t he? His lottery ticket had signed with DAZN first so he followed suit. That’s a no brainer and goes back to my point about it being a business first. Why you think ggg signed with DAZN AFTER canelo did, not before but AFTER. Ggg would have signed with your mothers promotions had canelo signed with her first. He followed the money all while claiming “oh I fight for the people, Mexican style, in about legacy not business, blah blah bs” that all you guys ate up like meatloaf. Please bro

ggg was a great fighter and anyone with that power, stamina, jab, and chin that he posses plus his underrated boxing skills will cause problems for anyone! That’s why he never lost to anyone not named canelo even though he had a few others give him close fights, canelo beat him twice!

wilder vs fury isn’t the same situation though never was. They both brought in fans and money, with canelo and ggg, it was mostly canelo so of course he made the moves he made and ggg had to accept it. He still got 3 chances and didn’t do sh.it! After everyone was talking sh.it that ggg was a killer and he’d ko canelo, phuck outta here. Didn’t do a damn thing! Got his ass beat Mexican style and ran out the ring looking like Michael Jackson off of thriller.

Canelo vs Benavidez is a different situation then Canelo vs Ggg. Again, canelo is the one older yes but he is still A side to David. So the same bs you were crying about that canelo waited out ggg or whatever nonsense you talking is bs. Why? Well the canelo Benavidez fight is perfect example why. So why hasn’t canelo va Benavidez happens yet? Is canelo waiting himself out? See how dumb that sounds? The only common denominator, well there is two, here is that canelo was and is the Aside vs David just like he was vs ggg. Also, it’s business first and That fight will happen, and he will put all this nonse you’re talking to bed once it does happen.

I won’t touch on anything you said about their careers cuz it’s valid the way you explained it and how it played out.

I wasn’t arguing anything about “who’s A side vs who’s B side.” Everyone knows Canelo’s the A side. I wasn’t arguing about the business aspect side of things in my post.

We can agree to disagree for the reasons why it took 4 years to get to part 3. Because I do believe that Canelo figured jumping to 168 would’ve been easier than giving GGG the 3rd fight right away, which he did.

And you say you have a hard time believing Canelo was avoiding GGG with dropping the belt because they ended up fighting a 3rd time? Yeah. After 4 yrs and GGG was 40 years old he fought him for the 3rd time.

But what I was upset about in your original post, was your comment on GGG being “exposed.” I find it extremely disrespectful to boxers when so called boxing fans throw that out. Especially to a boxer of the caliber of GGG. Cuz you said it yourself. Great chin. Great jab. Great career. Underrated boxing skills. So what exactly did Canelo “expose?” Then you go on to disrespect and discredit GGG. You don’t make any sense with what you say.

Because Canelo didn’t “expose” anything. GGG losing to Canelo 0-2-1 doesn’t look good for him on paper and it’s true. He lost and that’s how it’s gonna be remembered as. It’s also true that Canelo ranks higher than GGG as far as legacy, accomplishments, what have you.

But GGG didn’t do sh#t? He arguably won the first 2 fights is what he did, and you know this, and then you come here and say, “GGG didn’t do sh#t.” Come on bro stop pretending and stop with the disrespect. He gave Canelo 2 hard fights and Canelo didn’t convincingly beat GGG until he was 40 years old. Undeniable facts.

With controversy revolving the first 2 bouts, doesn’t it warrants an immediate rematch? Why do you think EVERYONE was calling for the trilogy bout immediately after #2? Why?

But Canelo being the A side, he almost always gets the benefit of the doubt on the scorecards, and he gets to call the shots. Should it be that way? I don’t know, but it is the way it is.

And yeah the trilogy was similar to Wilder vs Fury. Canelo vs GGG brought in good money and sold good the first 2 times. The first 2 bouts were great so why not do it again??? Money was there for the taking for Canelo.

It’s cuz Canelo wanted the easier route, but he’s A side so he gets to do that and call his own shots. I get that.

And I just think Canelo doesn’t want to box Benevitez. He’s not “waiting himself out.” He wants to box other people, but more and more pressure will be put on him to face Benevitez as time goes on.

Why? Because Benevitez is a young gun who has a high workrate, good power, walks you down, and actually believes in himself!

Don’t get me wrong, me saying that isn’t me picking Benevitez. Canelo has the skills and the ring IQ to win the bout, but to sleep on Benevitez or think he’s just gonna be a walk in the park for Canelo is just ******. Cuz Benevitez is only getting better.

But, they have to make the fight happen so hopefully we get the bout everyone’s been asking for in 2024.

And what I talk about isn’t “nonsense bs.” Let’s just get that straight.

[Oracle01]

A casual? Funny coming from a guy that would wash Benavidez’s nut sack if given the chance.

Benavidez couldn’t KO Plant and had a garbage win vs OLD, undersized quitter in Andrade.

And Canelo couldn't stop a 40 year old GGG first time at 168, a 35 year old UK journeyman Ryder, and an inactive 154 pounder. At least Benavidez beats up everyone he fights. He would have stopped all those guys.

[Oracle01]

Whenever the term Casual is thrown around it immediately devalues whatever point you are trying to make.

Oracle would be the first one claiming Andrade was 35yrs old and Canelo just beat a washed out Bum.

All of a sudden Benavidez is some sort of god killer which will decimate a ATG in Canelo.

Its the fight to make next for sure but the double standards around here is criminally funny.

I'm a hypocrite based on something you assume I would say? lol. If Canelo had destroyed Andrade i would have given him props but he was too scared to ever fight him. He wants lay up fights for 98% of his career.

[Robi13]

GGG's only threat was Nelo.
Everyone else was a gggimme

I’d put more respect on Danny Jacob’s and Sergey Derenvyanchenko’s names but outside of those three (canelo) … the rest are gimmees as you say.

[Robi13]

I won�t touch on anything you said about their careers cuz it�s valid the way you explained it and how it played out.

I wasn�t arguing anything about �who�s A side vs who�s B side.� Everyone knows Canelo�s the A side. I wasn�t arguing about the business aspect side of things in my post.

We can agree to disagree for the reasons why it took 4 years to get to part 3. Because I do believe that Canelo figured jumping to 168 would�ve been easier than giving GGG the 3rd fight right away, which he did.

And you say you have a hard time believing Canelo was avoiding GGG with dropping the belt because they ended up fighting a 3rd time? Yeah. After 4 yrs and GGG was 40 years old he fought him for the 3rd time.

But what I was upset about in your original post, was your comment on GGG being �exposed.� I find it extremely disrespectful to boxers when so called boxing fans throw that out. Especially to a boxer of the caliber of GGG. Cuz you said it yourself. Great chin. Great jab. Great career. Underrated boxing skills. So what exactly did Canelo �expose?� Then you go on to disrespect and discredit GGG. You don�t make any sense with what you say.

Because Canelo didn�t �expose� anything. GGG losing to Canelo 0-2-1 doesn�t look good for him on paper and it�s true. He lost and that�s how it�s gonna be remembered as. It�s also true that Canelo ranks higher than GGG as far as legacy, accomplishments, what have you.

But GGG didn�t do sh#t? He arguably won the first 2 fights is what he did, and you know this, and then you come here and say, �GGG didn�t do sh#t.� Come on bro stop pretending and stop with the disrespect. He gave Canelo 2 hard fights and Canelo didn�t convincingly beat GGG until he was 40 years old. Undeniable facts.

With controversy revolving the first 2 bouts, doesn�t it warrants an immediate rematch? Why do you think EVERYONE was calling for the trilogy bout immediately after #2? Why?

But Canelo being the A side, he almost always gets the benefit of the doubt on the scorecards, and he gets to call the shots. Should it be that way? I don�t know, but it is the way it is.

And yeah the trilogy was similar to Wilder vs Fury. Canelo vs GGG brought in good money and sold good the first 2 times. The first 2 bouts were great so why not do it again??? Money was there for the taking for Canelo.

It�s cuz Canelo wanted the easier route, but he�s A side so he gets to do that and call his own shots. I get that.

And I just think Canelo doesn�t want to box Benevitez. He�s not �waiting himself out.� He wants to box other people, but more and more pressure will be put on him to face Benevitez as time goes on.

Why? Because Benevitez is a young gun who has a high workrate, good power, walks you down, and actually believes in himself!

Don�t get me wrong, me saying that isn�t me picking Benevitez. Canelo has the skills and the ring IQ to win the bout, but to sleep on Benevitez or think he�s just gonna be a walk in the park for Canelo is just ******. Cuz Benevitez is only getting better.

But, they have to make the fight happen so hopefully we get the bout everyone�s been asking for in 2024.

And what I talk about isn�t �nonsense bs.� Let�s just get that straight.

What I felt and still feel that canelo exposed about GGG wasn’t that GGG was a terrible boxer, that’s not what I meant. What I felt canelo exposed was the narrative they GGG was going to KO canelo and he eas this KO artist killing machine that he was built up to be by knocking out lesser opposition up until the Jacob’s fight. He did also KO kell brook but kell was a 47 moving up to 60 so that isn’t too impressive it was more expected then anything else. So yes, GGG didn’t do sh.it to canelo as far as living up to what was expected of him to do which was knock canelo out just like he been knocking most of all of his opponents. People on here were talking crazy about him knocking canelo out stopping him inside 6 rounds and all kinds of absurd things, the disrespect was real for canelo up in these forums. That’s what canelo expose of him. You say canelo waited him out for the third but let’s not forget Canelo beat ggg Mexican style in the rematch 1 yr after the first fight. You can say what you want if it was close or not but fact is canelo beat him and yes I agree moving up in weight and fighting the guys he fought was probably an easier route then the trilogy but after all the sh.it talking and animosity between the two camps I don’t blame canelo. I’d of never even given him the 3rd at all if I were him so the fact he gave him the third regardless if it was 4 5 or 10 years later sh.it he still did and didn’t have to. He had already beat him. Why did canelo have to do that? Give canelo the credit he deserves. At the end of the day, canelo made those fights happen and he will make the Benavidez fight happen too. I don’t feel like Benavidez is an easy fight and I never said it would be, matter fact I’m leaning Benavidez whenever that fight happens. But what I’m going to tell you and everyone else that thinks Benavidez will walk canelo down and overwhelm him with volume punching, that’s not gonna happen. It’ll be back and forth and people will be crying on here talking about “oh well Benavidez was paid to fight that way, he didn’t fight like he usually does” I see it already l. Well, that won’t be the case, it’s called levels. Canelo is special, it’ll be tough for both.

[Oracle01]

Use paragraphs ffs