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  • #21
    Originally posted by Teetotaler69 View Post
    Well it's the wba so it makes sense. They do what tranny al says.

    So would this make him "officially " a 2 division champ?
    Only if they upgrade him to Super champ. Would be nice to see him actually be on the hook for mandatories for once.
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    • #22
      Titles are used as bargaining chips in negotiations.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post

        Only if they upgrade him to Super champ. Would be nice to see him actually be on the hook for mandatories for once.
        Wait so they test the champ but not the challenger?
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        • #24
          Originally posted by Teetotaler69 View Post

          Wait so they test the champ but not the challenger?
          The WBA (regular) wasn't even a challenger for most of its existence. That only changed when they ended up taking so much flak about the Regular belt that they had to start getting rid of it. For most of the Regular belt's existence, it was interpreted by the WBA as being a "world champion" so the holder was removed from the rankings and it didn't confer a mandatory shot at the real champ. And since they weren't the real champ, they didn't order mandatories for that belt, so the secondary titlist was free to make crap voluntary defenses while pretending to be a champion, all while the WBA ranked in sanctioning fees for both "champs " and sometimes from an interim champion as well. Essentially the boxing version of purgatory until recently.

          Their success at gulling fans into thinking that the likes of Tank Davis and Mahmoud Charr are real world champions was probably the biggest factor in the WBC creating "franchise" champions. Both are stupid.

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          • #25
            Lot of complaning in this thread

            Show some respect for the Microsoft Outlook champ

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            • #26
              Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post

              The WBA (regular) wasn't even a challenger for most of its existence. That only changed when they ended up taking so much flak about the Regular belt that they had to start getting rid of it. For most of the Regular belt's existence, it was interpreted by the WBA as being a "world champion" so the holder was removed from the rankings and it didn't confer a mandatory shot at the real champ. And since they weren't the real champ, they didn't order mandatories for that belt, so the secondary titlist was free to make crap voluntary defenses while pretending to be a champion, all while the WBA ranked in sanctioning fees for both "champs " and sometimes from an interim champion as well. Essentially the boxing version of purgatory until recently.

              Their success at gulling fans into thinking that the likes of Tank Davis and Mahmoud Charr are real world champions was probably the biggest factor in the WBC creating "franchise" champions. Both are stupid.
              In theory, the 'regular' champ was entitled to a shot at the 'super' champion but in practice it rarely happened. Prior to the recent "world title reduction plan" the only occasions I can recall are Hopkins - Joppy and Klitschko - Povetkin.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by dan-b View Post

                In theory, the 'regular' champ was entitled to a shot at the 'super' champion but in practice it rarely happened. Prior to the recent "world title reduction plan" the only occasions I can recall are Hopkins - Joppy and Klitschko - Povetkin.
                Can you provide some evidence for that? Everything I've ever seen says that prior to the title reduction stuff, the Regular champion was not entitled to a shot at the Super champ, because they were already considered a World champion by the WBA. Not every Regular or unified champ gets (or got) promoted to Super if the Super belt is vacant, and only those two times you mentioned was there even an option to fight the Super champ. The regular champ also never gets to unify because the other organizations don't want their champs fighting a lesser champion.

                The WBA rules prior to title consolidation stated that a fighter had to either beat the Super champ or make at least 5-10 title defenses or get promoted via extraordinary circumstances in order to become Super champ. 18d also said specifically that "official contenders to the World title shall not be considered to be an official contender for a Super championship." And since becoming a world champion removes you from rankings...

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post

                  Can you provide some evidence for that? Everything I've ever seen says that prior to the title reduction stuff, the Regular champion was not entitled to a shot at the Super champ, because they were already considered a World champion by the WBA. Not every Regular or unified champ gets (or got) promoted to Super if the Super belt is vacant, and only those two times you mentioned was there even an option to fight the Super champ. The regular champ also never gets to unify because the other organizations don't want their champs fighting a lesser champion.

                  The WBA rules prior to title consolidation stated that a fighter had to either beat the Super champ or make at least 5-10 title defenses or get promoted via extraordinary circumstances in order to become Super champ. 18d also said specifically that "official contenders to the World title shall not be considered to be an official contender for a Super championship." And since becoming a world champion removes you from rankings...
                  Maybe 'entitled' was the wrong word for me to use. The two fights I referenced were definitely considered WBA mandatories for Hopkins and Klitschko though. It could well be though that the 'regular' belt was largely inconsequential to Joppy and Povetkin being named mandatory challengers. Unless an archive of the WBA regulations for those time periods is available it may be impossible to know.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post

                    Can you provide some evidence for that? Everything I've ever seen says that prior to the title reduction stuff, the Regular champion was not entitled to a shot at the Super champ, because they were already considered a World champion by the WBA. Not every Regular or unified champ gets (or got) promoted to Super if the Super belt is vacant, and only those two times you mentioned was there even an option to fight the Super champ. The regular champ also never gets to unify because the other organizations don't want their champs fighting a lesser champion.

                    The WBA rules prior to title consolidation stated that a fighter had to either beat the Super champ or make at least 5-10 title defenses or get promoted via extraordinary circumstances in order to become Super champ. 18d also said specifically that "official contenders to the World title shall not be considered to be an official contender for a Super championship." And since becoming a world champion removes you from rankings...
                    Found this article on the WBA's website from 22/12/2012 regarding Klitschko - Povetkin being a mandatory defence. Doesn't answer the question about the regular champ's mandatory entitlement generally though.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by dan-b View Post

                      Found this article on the WBA's website from 22/12/2012 regarding Klitschko - Povetkin being a mandatory defence. Doesn't answer the question about the regular champ's mandatory entitlement generally though.
                      Yeah, I'm pretty sure that those cases were exceptions. I know you agree that the alphabet organizations are useless, and the Regular belt is a particular stain.
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