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Originally posted by Teetotaler69 View Post
Wait so they test the champ but not the challenger?
Their success at gulling fans into thinking that the likes of Tank Davis and Mahmoud Charr are real world champions was probably the biggest factor in the WBC creating "franchise" champions. Both are ******.
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Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post
The WBA (regular) wasn't even a challenger for most of its existence. That only changed when they ended up taking so much flak about the Regular belt that they had to start getting rid of it. For most of the Regular belt's existence, it was interpreted by the WBA as being a "world champion" so the holder was removed from the rankings and it didn't confer a mandatory shot at the real champ. And since they weren't the real champ, they didn't order mandatories for that belt, so the secondary titlist was free to make crap voluntary defenses while pretending to be a champion, all while the WBA ranked in sanctioning fees for both "champs " and sometimes from an interim champion as well. Essentially the boxing version of purgatory until recently.
Their success at gulling fans into thinking that the likes of Tank Davis and Mahmoud Charr are real world champions was probably the biggest factor in the WBC creating "franchise" champions. Both are ******.
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Originally posted by dan-b View Post
In theory, the 'regular' champ was entitled to a shot at the 'super' champion but in practice it rarely happened. Prior to the recent "world title reduction plan" the only occasions I can recall are Hopkins - Joppy and Klitschko - Povetkin.
The WBA rules prior to title consolidation stated that a fighter had to either beat the Super champ or make at least 5-10 title defenses or get promoted via extraordinary circumstances in order to become Super champ. 18d also said specifically that "official contenders to the World title shall not be considered to be an official contender for a Super championship." And since becoming a world champion removes you from rankings...
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Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post
Can you provide some evidence for that? Everything I've ever seen says that prior to the title reduction stuff, the Regular champion was not entitled to a shot at the Super champ, because they were already considered a World champion by the WBA. Not every Regular or unified champ gets (or got) promoted to Super if the Super belt is vacant, and only those two times you mentioned was there even an option to fight the Super champ. The regular champ also never gets to unify because the other organizations don't want their champs fighting a lesser champion.
The WBA rules prior to title consolidation stated that a fighter had to either beat the Super champ or make at least 5-10 title defenses or get promoted via extraordinary circumstances in order to become Super champ. 18d also said specifically that "official contenders to the World title shall not be considered to be an official contender for a Super championship." And since becoming a world champion removes you from rankings...
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Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07 View Post
Can you provide some evidence for that? Everything I've ever seen says that prior to the title reduction stuff, the Regular champion was not entitled to a shot at the Super champ, because they were already considered a World champion by the WBA. Not every Regular or unified champ gets (or got) promoted to Super if the Super belt is vacant, and only those two times you mentioned was there even an option to fight the Super champ. The regular champ also never gets to unify because the other organizations don't want their champs fighting a lesser champion.
The WBA rules prior to title consolidation stated that a fighter had to either beat the Super champ or make at least 5-10 title defenses or get promoted via extraordinary circumstances in order to become Super champ. 18d also said specifically that "official contenders to the World title shall not be considered to be an official contender for a Super championship." And since becoming a world champion removes you from rankings...
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Originally posted by dan-b View Post
Found this article on the WBA's website from 22/12/2012 regarding Klitschko - Povetkin being a mandatory defence. Doesn't answer the question about the regular champ's mandatory entitlement generally though.
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