Comments Thread For: Hearn on Fury-Ngannou: 'Those Kinds of Fights ... If It Goes Wrong ... It Kills Your Legacy Forever'

[P to the J]

Lmao at Hearn laying it on thick, hoping Fury takes the bait so he can make $$$ in a series with AJ

[P to the J]

Fury won tho. I think he’s referring to ruiz/AJ fight. Getting knocked to inactive obese fighter is a stain on legacy especially when u come back and lose 2 Str8 to a MW who arguably lost to chisora and maris Bredis lmao

This a stretch, pal.

I’ll let you off cos I get that you hate Hearn, though. We all do

[P to the J]

Fast Eddie is having a field day trolling Fury on almost a daily basis. He’s having a dig, big time.

Can’t be too sure this ain’t all from one interview that Boxing scene have just stretched out over 2 weeks though, lmao

[joe strong]

So what if he comes in & absolutely dismantles Usyk twice? Then what will Hearn say? Fury embarrassed himself & the sport. 12 week training camp? Yes it was held on a stool at the end of the bar at Mickey’s Pub watching Soccer. i will wait to see what the result of the undisputed fight is before I write him off like most have here.

This fiasco reminds of an old HBO telecast with Lennox Lewis & Max Kellerman discussing Lewis’ fight with Zeljko Mavrovic. Lennox said it was his toughest fight because he threw everything at him but the kitchen sink & he would not go down. He then said Mavrovic trained for 2 years preparing for that fight & Max replied “And exactly how long did you prepare for Lennox?” Lewis just started laughing & had no response…

[Toffee]

If Fury was an hypejob why not, but Fury is arguably, since you ask me, the best HW since Lennox Lewis, 18 years. Since Lennox, the best HWs are Usyk, Vitali, Wlad and Wilder and Fury not only beat but dominated 2 of them, not that bad for a cherry picking fraud.

He's been the lineal champion for 8 years, his career is not perfect but he's still undefeated.

Not a top 10 ATG HW by any means but he's good enough to have m'y respect and support as a boxing fan so I don't have to come in every thread related to him
to diss him just like you.

I'm sure you can see the problem though?

He didn't beat prime Wlad - he beat an old and troubled version and then dodged the rematch. That win is a great win - but it's got question marks.

The second Wilder win was very impressive. But again - who knows what level Wilder was ever at? We never really saw him in any defining fight besides the Fury losses.

Between and since those two good wins there are massive gaps in the resume.

It's very likely that Wilder 2 was the last time we really saw Fury in anything like his prime. He could be 4 years past prime and we wouldn't even know... because he doesn't fight anyone who could give us an indication of that.

Personally I think Usyk is currently the best of the era. He had a defining win against a man who also had a career defining win against Klitschko (yes, still a past prime Klitschko) and not only did he beat him, but he beat him again in the rematch. Usyk removed all question marks.

And don't tell me Fury's been the lineal champion for 8 years like that's some achievement! Any list of Fury's bans, retirements, and 'defences' of that lineal title just make lineal status completely worthless.

300 llbs - and still...
2 year drug ban - and still...
Beats Pianeta - and still...

And so on.

[dan-b]

I'm sure you can see the problem though?

He didn't beat prime Wlad - he beat an old and troubled version and then dodged the rematch. That win is a great win - but it's got question marks.

The second Wilder win was very impressive. But again - who knows what level Wilder was ever at? We never really saw him in any defining fight besides the Fury losses.

Between and since those two good wins there are massive gaps in the resume.

It's very likely that Wilder 2 was the last time we really saw Fury in anything like his prime. He could be 4 years past prime and we wouldn't even know... because he doesn't fight anyone who could give us an indication of that.

Personally I think Usyk is currently the best of the era. He had a defining win against a man who also had a career defining win against Klitschko (yes, still a past prime Klitschko) and not only did he beat him, but he beat him again in the rematch. Usyk removed all question marks.

And don't tell me Fury's been the lineal champion for 8 years like that's some achievement! Any list of Fury's bans, retirements, and 'defences' of that lineal title just make lineal status completely worthless.

300 llbs - and still...
2 year drug ban - and still...
Beats Pianeta - and still...

And so on.

An interesting conversation re. the value of "lineal" in the modern era started here.

I enjoyed kafkod's characterisation of it as "...a marketing tool for promoters and networks, and a superlative for fanboys".

Fury's fanboys epitomise this. I actually saw someone arguing that Fury delaying the Usyk fight was "lineal champion's privileges". That same person is probably unaware that the current alleged lineage only goes back as far as Klitschko - Chagaev.

[dan-b]

Can’t be too sure this ain’t all from one interview that Boxing scene have just stretched out over 2 weeks though, lmao

It is, it's pathetic clickbait and shameless "engagement" harvesting. Meanwhile, no follow up on Trevor Bryan's condition. There is virtually no serious boxing journalism which is why things don't change institutionally.

[BillyBoxing]

I'm sure you can see the problem though?

He didn't beat prime Wlad - he beat an old and troubled version and then dodged the rematch. That win is a great win - but it's got question marks.

The second Wilder win was very impressive. But again - who knows what level Wilder was ever at? We never really saw him in any defining fight besides the Fury losses.

Between and since those two good wins there are massive gaps in the resume.

It's very likely that Wilder 2 was the last time we really saw Fury in anything like his prime. He could be 4 years past prime and we wouldn't even know... because he doesn't fight anyone who could give us an indication of that.

Personally I think Usyk is currently the best of the era. He had a defining win against a man who also had a career defining win against Klitschko (yes, still a past prime Klitschko) and not only did he beat him, but he beat him again in the rematch. Usyk removed all question marks.

And don't tell me Fury's been the lineal champion for 8 years like that's some achievement! Any list of Fury's bans, retirements, and 'defences' of that lineal title just make lineal status completely worthless.

300 llbs - and still...
2 year drug ban - and still...
Beats Pianeta - and still...

And so on.

Well, you are making sense. Refreshing on this board.

But I disagree, beating Wilder 2 times and Klit once beats beating AJ twice IMO.

Fury ended Klit's reign while AJ beat an older semi retired version of Klit. Not to mention Fury didn't let Klit win a single round. I was impressed.

Beating Chisora 3 Times easely > looking bad vs Chisora like Usyk did.

Fury's legacy as a HW > Usyk as a HW.

If we add what Usyk achieved as a CW then Usyk is the greater fighter obviously.

I Guess the Fury vs Usyk will answer those questions...if it happens lol

[JakeTheBoxer]

I'm sure you can see the problem though?

He didn't beat prime Wlad - he beat an old and troubled version and then dodged the rematch. That win is a great win - but it's got question marks.

The second Wilder win was very impressive. But again - who knows what level Wilder was ever at? We never really saw him in any defining fight besides the Fury losses.

Between and since those two good wins there are massive gaps in the resume.

It's very likely that Wilder 2 was the last time we really saw Fury in anything like his prime. He could be 4 years past prime and we wouldn't even know... because he doesn't fight anyone who could give us an indication of that.

Personally I think Usyk is currently the best of the era. He had a defining win against a man who also had a career defining win against Klitschko (yes, still a past prime Klitschko) and not only did he beat him, but he beat him again in the rematch. Usyk removed all question marks.

And don't tell me Fury's been the lineal champion for 8 years like that's some achievement! Any list of Fury's bans, retirements, and 'defences' of that lineal title just make lineal status completely worthless.

300 llbs - and still...
2 year drug ban - and still...
Beats Pianeta - and still...

And so on.

I agree. We don`t even know if Fury beats somebody like Sanchez.

He fights so rarely that we can`t be sure how good he is. and he fights UFC guys and Chisoras, so even worse.

[Toffee]

Well, you are making sense. Refreshing on this board.

But I disagree, beating Wilder 2 times and Klit once beats beating AJ twice IMO.

Fury ended Klit's reign while AJ beat an older semi retired version of Klit. Not to mention Fury didn't let Klit win a single round. I was impressed.

Beating Chisora 3 Times easely > looking bad vs Chisora like Usyk did.

Fury's legacy as a HW > Usyk as a HW.

If we add what Usyk achieved as a CW then Usyk is the greater fighter obviously.

I Guess the Fury vs Usyk will answer those questions...if it happens lol

Most people had Klitschko v Fury by a round or two. And most rounds were decided by a jab or two.

It's a great win, and a deserved win, but Fury's convinced everyone since that it was a comfortable win. It wasn't. He beat a terrible version of Wlad in an absolute stinker decided by a couple of jabs. And avoided running it back.

Then there's the fact that Fury really should have been banned for PEDs at that point.

I suspect there were a few fighters who could have beaten Wilder but we'll never know. That win is a house built on quicksand. Wilder's best win was Ortiz. Ortiz best win was Jennings. There's no proven credibility in that chain of fighters. It was just a belt.

We definitely need to see Fury v Usyk, but I fear that Fury won't do it. If he didn't know it before, I reckon he knows it now. His best days are in the past. That's what the lifestyle he's had will do to you.