Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury On Francis Ngannou: I Didn't Underestimate Him; I Trained For 12 Weeks

[dan-b]

There’s a thing called overtraining, if you train for too long you over do it and you end up being flat on the night

There's also a thing called inactivity and being a fat slob between fights. Professional boxers should only need training camps to refine their skills, spar and get in fighting condition. Not to get in shape.

[Corelone]

There's also a thing called inactivity and being a fat slob between fights. Professional boxers should only need training camps to refine their skills, spar and get in fighting condition. Not to get in shape.

What do you mean, between fights?

[Zelda]

It is possible he trained physically for 12 weeks. But there are so many other factors to consider.

1. When he began training, he looked somewhat out of shape. In fact, I remember this concern was raised when the fight was announced. Fury had been out of the ring for some time so he had to shed the weight quite quickly.
2. I think the major factor was that Fury was not mentally ready for what he saw in Ngannou. Fury tried to do what he did with Wilder but that was totally wrong for Ngannou. In the rounds where Ngannou won, he showed good discipline and did not rush in. He shifted stances with Fury, and his lead hand did somewhat negate Fury's jab. So, perhaps fighting the way he fought Klitschko or even Dillian would have been better. His clinching was utterly useless, did not look good on him, and may have actually gone against him as Ngannou had the power to wrestle him or even toss him to the side and fight inside.
3. Fury may have been lost in his own hype, in the criticism he and Warren got for taking this fight by so many boxing channels, in the expectation that this would be a no contest and he is expected to make it look good for a few rounds and then knock him out, and in treating this more like an event than a boxing match.
4. In all the rounds where Fury tried to hit Ngannou hard, he lost those rounds and even got knocked down in the process. In the rounds where Fury only tried to outbox Ngannou and win points, Ngannou presented little challenge and Fury hit more shots.
5. Of course, it could also be that Fury is deteriorating with age but I will hold that opinion till I see the next 1 or 2 fights.

After watching the fight multiple times, Ngannou impressed me with his boxing skills, core strength, and patience to follow a game plan. But there were no elite boxing skills from Ngannou which is quite understandable and shouldn't be expected. He wasn't particularly fast or cheeky either but had the fundamentals right and the patience to follow a game plan.

The only reason I mention it is that while Ngannou has been hyped, I do not think he would beat other top HWs or, in my opinion, even Fury if he were to fight him again now that people know what to expect. I can totally see AJ (or Fury) fighting him like the Ruiz 2 fight and winning all the rounds to a comfortable decision. If you stand and try to trade with Ngannou hoping to KO him, there is a chance you will get knocked down or out.

[Zelda]

What do you mean, between fights?

It means during the time when you do not have a fight, you stop training regularly, stop exercising, and stop controlling your diet. So, after a fight, you grow fat and out of shape until a few weeks before your next fight when you hit the gym again to get into shape and practice your skills.

[Toffee]

It's impossible to know what Fury's lying about and what he actually believes himself.

It's very possible that he's degraded. He might think he's training as hard as ever, but it might just be getting harder to train.

Then there's the level he's been fighting at. I'll always rate his second Wilder fight, but we still don't really know Wilder's level compared to anyone meaningful except for Fury. Then it's Whyte, who was last his limited best, and then the Chisora pension plan. Combined with inactivity he might just be out of touch.

Or he's lying and he didn't prepare well enough.

Of course it might just be that Ngannou is great.

I'm thinking he's full of it, and he simply didn't prepare. But, as always, he keeps you guessing.

[Corelone]

It means during the time when you do not have a fight, you stop training regularly, stop exercising, and stop controlling your diet. So, after a fight, you grow fat and out of shape until a few weeks before your next fight when you hit the gym again to get into shape and practice your skills.

That was a rhetorical question. I know what you are trying to say. I'm just surprised you noticed a change in Furys shape on fight night.

[dan-b]

That was a rhetorical question. I know what you are trying to say. I'm just surprised you noticed a change in Furys shape on fight night.

Your original response was to me. Zelda missed the irony, probably because he's American and they tend to take things too literally.

[dan-b]

It's impossible to know what Fury's lying about and what he actually believes himself.

It's very possible that he's degraded. He might think he's training as hard as ever, but it might just be getting harder to train.

Then there's the level he's been fighting at. I'll always rate his second Wilder fight, but we still don't really know Wilder's level compared to anyone meaningful except for Fury. Then it's Whyte, who was last his limited best, and then the Chisora pension plan. Combined with inactivity he might just be out of touch.

Or he's lying and he didn't prepare well enough.

Of course it might just be that Ngannou is great.

I'm thinking he's full of it, and he simply didn't prepare. But, as always, he keeps you guessing.

You consistently make some of the best posts on here. Did you used to post on the ESB Brit sub-forum circa 2008?

[Zelda]

Your original response was to me. Zelda missed the irony, probably because he's American and they tend to take things too literally.

Yes, I missed the irony...sorry about that. No, I am not an American.

[crisantonio917]

I trained for 12 weeks on booze, drugs and broads..