Ngannou was better conditioned. UFC has better training ?

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  • YGriffith
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    #21
    Originally posted by TMLT87
    He managed his energy well. I was surprised because his gas tank is considered suspect in MMA, I guess largely because of how he looks and that hes rarely needed to last long.

    I think boxing generally takes better conditioning because the fights tend to go longer and the pace is a lot more predictable. Theres so much variation in how an MMA fight can play out in comparison, it COULD be harder than a boxing match (in terms of pace and damage taken) but generally its easier.

    One thing that I do think definitely helped Ngannou in that fight was how hes used to opponents trying to grapple him. When you have actual wrestlers trying to ragdoll you like their lives depend on it you're not gonna have to worry too much about Fury trying to do it.
    MMA is more fast paced than 90% of boxing matches, 10% being the smaller weight classes where they throw over a thousand punches.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Haka
      Goes to show that what the UFC guys are doing is on another level. Training in UFC is much more versatile and it showed on the night. In my opinion Ngannou was much better condition due to his allround training. In the clinch Ngannou was much stronger and was not fazed by the Furys punching, built like cement.
      Francis is physically stronger, I don't think anyone could've doubted it. And seems he was training hard, unlike Fury because you saw the shape he was in - did he look like a man after a 12 weeks camp? he was probably doing some training, but that was all and he has only himself to blame. He should not be weighing above 120 kg. as he seriously damaged his body during his drugs hiatus.

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      • Haka
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        #23
        Originally posted by 1lparm
        The best conditioned fighter on the planet Bud Crawford might disagree. So would a prime Floyd. If mma conditions so well how come stars like Brock and Connor were gassed by round 3?
        Those are exceptions, and Bud seems to be a fighter that does his training camp right. Floyd was a league on his own in his division, can we say that about Conor who was all hype and had around 10 UFC fights at the time.

        The old school, bag work, roadwork, push-ups, olds school boxing methods that Fury relied on in his career seems outdated. Yet it is effective because it works for him. Does it mean it is the most optimal ? I think that Ngannou did particulary well because of his great shape, not because of his boxing skills as he was having difficulties in the later rounds connecting and setting up anything.

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          #24
          Originally posted by YGriffith
          I mean most train in wrestling and that offers better conditioning than boxing.
          That is what I am suspecting. He was also draining Fury in the clinch, instead of the reverse (Fury expected to drain Ngannou by hanging over him, yet he was the one stumbling)

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            #25
            Originally posted by YGriffith

            He had 12 weeks camp.

            Just because we're boxing fans doesnt mean we should be blind and excuse the embarassement fury brought to boxing.
            12 weeks camp and still did not take the fight seriously. Boxing fans should know better than base boxing's conditioning on this guy's lack of drive and laziness.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Haka

              Yet he is always in the gym, always working, so maybe he is doing something wrong in camp ?
              Being IN the gym doesn't necessarily mean he's working out hard.

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                #27
                Originally posted by YGriffith

                MMA is more fast paced than 90% of boxing matches
                Eh, I dunno about that. Boxing matches can go way longer and a lot of the time you see fighters going at a consistently high pace and volume for the whole 36 minutes without any real slowing down or loss of technique. In MMA its the norm to see both guys looking like zombies by the championship rounds if its been an intense fight. Also the general approach in MMA suits a lower volume - the default range is further out and its more dangerous to stay in the pocket throwing a bunch of shots.

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                  #28
                  no, tyson just didnt really train for this fight... props to Ngannou but let's be honest here... fury barely train for this fight.

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