Comments Thread For: Fury: Joshua's Bubble Has Been Burst - Spanked By Usyk Twice, KO'd By a Fat Man

[dan-b]

This is denium in summary:

"Weeeey, I chose to superficially support one sportman I've never actually met over another. Weeeey, that makes me successful. Anyone who doesn't agree with me has questionable sexuality. LMAO weeeey!!!"

[Bob]

Reaching your ceiling is actually a good thing, it's what more boxers should aspire to because it means you challenged yourself and found out how good you are. Too many boxers these days are afraid of finding out.

IMO Joshua should be lauded for fighting everyone he should have and rematching the two men who beat him. No shame there, that's how it should be done. I'll take an honest effort like that any day of the week over those opportunistic types who pick and choose their opponents carefully.

Ajs ceiling was bellow world level, he's alway's avoided the top 2 & only ever won paper belts & defended against old men of the former generation, a couple of cans & still lost.

[Toffee]

More of a man than you'll ever be, Skippy.

Stop getting offended just because someone insulted your boyfriend aGay

Mate you used the phrase "sloppy seconds".

No man uses that phrase.

[Toffee]

Ajs ceiling was bellow world level, he's alway's avoided the top 2 & only ever won paper belts & defended against old men of the former generation, a couple of cans & still lost.

Ignoring the fact that both the fighters you're talking about have confirmed that they either turned Joshua down or that he had signed to fight them.

How on earth is a guy who won Olympic gold, the Heavyweight Championship, added two more belts to his collection and defended against mandatories not at World level?

There are some proper oddballs on this forum. You'd think it was full of people who had never followed boxing.

If Joshua wasn't world level then who was?

Let me guess... Anyone currently with a 0 in the L column.

And that's the problem with boxing 'fans'.

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Mate you used the phrase "sloppy seconds".

No man uses that phrase.

Maybe not in Squatter's Crag or wherever your from, but it's a very common, well known and well used phrase.

[NEETzschean]

My only issue with Joshua, is that at least on the surface, he appears willing to accept a fight against anyone EXCEPT Deontay Wilder.

That fight when they were both undefeated and Joshua was actually taking risks in the ring would have sold huge around the world and changed the scope of things significantly, because I believe Fury would have stayed on the couch and refused to fight the undisputed winner, and I also believe that person would have beaten Usyk because of the rush of being undisputed.

It's why I wish I could find a really good Node.JS or other developer that wanted to build a visual of the history of fights through the years, and allow someone to play with the results in 'what-if' scenarios.

Joshua wasn't willing to fight Ortiz, Wilder or Fury, all of whom would have beaten him in all probability.

Why would Fury "refuse to fight the undisputed winner"? He fought champ A-side favourite Wilder in his backyard 6 months after the Seferi exhibition, for far less money than he'd get for undisputed. He beat Wlad in Germany in 2015 as a 4/1 underdog when Wilder and Joshua were being kept away. He's signed to fight Usyk next, in an undisputed fight.

No version of Joshua beats Usyk. He barely sc****d past 41 year old winless in two years Wlad in Britain in his career best performance. Wilder would probably have a good chance but he could also get beaten over the distance as Usyk is more skilled, athletic, stronger-chinned etc. than Szpilka or Ortiz.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Charles Martin wasn't a real champion lol, he won a vacant belt against some nobody who had a busted knee.

The closest AJ has ever come to beating a real champion is Klitschko, however Fury had already dethroned him.

I don't class belt holders like Martin & Parker as real champions.

The IBF was only vacant because Tyson Fury retired instead of rematching Clinchko. That's not Martin's fault. And Martin would ultimately have sparked Glazkov out regardless.

This isn't rating Martin high - again, I think he threw the Joshua fight for a payday and would have been more successful fighting Arreola first - but Martin was as legitimate of a champion as Crawford was when he was taking vacant lineals. Let's be consistent.

[NEETzschean]

Ignoring the fact that both the fighters you're talking about have confirmed that they either turned Joshua down or that he had signed to fight them.

How on earth is a guy who won Olympic gold, the Heavyweight Championship, added two more belts to his collection and defended against mandatories not at World level?

There are some proper oddballs on this forum. You'd think it was full of people who had never followed boxing.

If Joshua wasn't world level then who was?

Let me guess... Anyone currently with a 0 in the L column.

And that's the problem with boxing 'fans'.

"who won Olympic gold"

Gifted gold, like Tony Yoka. Even domestic level Audley won his legitimately.

"the Heavyweight Championship"

Joshua never won it, he picked Fury's belts out of the bin after Hearn offered Martin and Parker huge sums to sell their paper titles.

"they either turned Joshua down"

You've been fooled. Joshua ducked Ortiz in 2017, Wilder in 2018/2019 and Fury last year and on. He ducked three of the five biggest threats to him and still lost three times to much smaller men, despite being the A-side in every fight.

"defended against mandatories"

The sanctioning bodies are corrupt, many "mandatories" are rubbish.

"World level"

It's a matter of definition. If it means "top 10" then I don't see any valid argument that Joshua hasn't been world level.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Joshua wasn't willing to fight Ortiz, Wilder or Fury, all of whom would have beaten him in all probability.

Why would Fury "refuse to fight the undisputed winner"? He fought champ A-side favourite Wilder in his backyard 6 months after the Seferi exhibition, for far less money than he'd get for undisputed. He beat Wlad in Germany in 2015 as a 4/1 underdog when Wilder and Joshua were being kept away. He's signed to fight Usyk next, in an undisputed fight.

No version of Joshua beats Usyk. He barely sc****d past 41 year old winless in two years Wlad in Britain in his career best performance. Wilder would probably have a good chance but he could also get beaten over the distance as Usyk is more skilled, athletic, stronger-chinned etc. than Szpilka or Ortiz.

Fury literally just gave an interview saying he wasn't fighting Usyk.

Second, the Joshua that beat Clinchko would have beaten Usyk. He lost that fight because he fights tentative now after what Ruiz did to him. Aggression and countering was always his strength, not sitting back trying to box which plays into Usyk's strengths. He only beat Clinchko after he went after him and he got dropped because he was waiting. Waiting is his Kryptonite.

Again, "what if".

If Joshua had NEVER fought Ruiz, and instead was fighting Usyk, Usyk gets sparked out in 9.

Fury fought Wilder and damn near ended up a "Body on the Record" the first time.

Blitzes him the second time, great, but then the third time, he's never been the same, doesn't want any more smoke from any real fighter. He literally gave an interview saying he's done fighting real boxers. Did you miss him saying these things?

[NEETzschean]

Fury literally just gave an interview saying he wasn't fighting Usyk.

Second, the Joshua that beat Clinchko would have beaten Usyk. He lost that fight because he fights tentative now after what Ruiz did to him. Aggression and countering was always his strength, not sitting back trying to box which plays into Usyk's strengths. He only beat Clinchko after he went after him and he got dropped because he was waiting. Waiting is his Kryptonite.

Again, "what if".

If Joshua had NEVER fought Ruiz, and instead was fighting Usyk, Usyk gets sparked out in 9.

Fury fought Wilder and damn near ended up a "Body on the Record" the first time.

Blitzes him the second time, great, but then the third time, he's never been the same, doesn't want any more smoke from any real fighter. He literally gave an interview saying he's done fighting real boxers. Did you miss him saying these things?

The fight is signed dummy. Usyk and his team agree. Link the interview.

Joshua is a big stiff chinny mentally weak hypejob with a rubbish gas tank who sc****d past a 41 year old, 2 years winless Wlad in London, who had himself been outboxed by Usyk in sparring in 2015 as well as schooled by Fury. He's basically Wlad lite. 1.5 years prior to that he had a back and forth war with fringe contender Dillian Whyte and took 7 rounds to get rid of punching bag Breazeale. Next thing you know he gets beat down by a motivated Andy Ruiz. Nothing on Joshua's record suggests that he could beat Usyk.

If Whyte isn't a "real fighter" then how many does Joshua have on his record? Usyk x2, Ruiz 1, 41 Wlad and 39 Povetkin, most of which he lost to!

Fury came back after being all but KO'd and "robbed" with a draw to walk Wilder down, school and KO him in one of the all time heavyweight performances. Fury's fighting heart is virtually unmatched.