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Another thought. I'd be curious how much you think the shift to modern training methods and expectations regarding quantity of fights has affected activity overall. The old greats used to have 40+ fights in a career easily. That's quite rare these days unless there's a lot of cans on the record.
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Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post...
Klitschko ties to two of the 6 other best, even in losing, albeit honorable efforts. The comparative activity level, the willingness to take a loss - Astounding shift.
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Good thoughts.
Klitschko is the central character from the previous era - his. His inclusion should not reflect poorly on him, obviously. In listing (what I feel is) a top 7, I might have instead used Parker, Joyce, Povetkin, Whyte, Zhang or any number, but even in the era distinctly outside of his own, Klitschko ties to two of the 6 other best, even in losing, albeit honorable efforts. The comparative activity level, the willingness to take a loss - Astounding shift.
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The common denominator with the modern day HW’s and most modern fighters tbh is they all talk a hell of a lot more than they fight. They take the worst traits from the greats.
Ali ran his mouth but he also fought regularly and backed it up.
Ali fought exhibitions but he also defended his title regularly, I think the famous exhibition with Inoki occurred in 76, he defended the HW title 4 times that year including the trilogy with Norton.Willow The Wisp likes this.
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Well, let's break it down by activity.
AJ - 5 fights from your list, plus another with Joseph Parker, and a total of 19 between 15-22. 7 vs world champs, 4 wins 3 losses.
Usyk - 2 fights from your list, 5 since his debut in 2019. 15 between 15-22, with 3 against top cruiserweights in 2018 alone. 7 fights vs world champions in that time frame, all 7 wins.
Wilder - 5 from your list, 14 between 15-22 5 fights vs world champions, 2 win 2 losses, 1 draw.
Ruiz - 3 from your list between 19-22, 4 in that time frame, 8 since losing an MD to Parker, 13 between 15-22 3 fights vs world champions, 1 win 2 losses.
Ortiz - 3 fights from list, 15 total between 15-22 4 fights vs world champions, 1 win 3 losses.
Fury - 4 from your list, 10 between 15-22. 4 fights vs world champions, 3 wins 1 draw.
Klitschko on the tail end of his career so not sure why he's really included in this class.
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Where have all the Bawlls Gone?
Where have all the Bawlls Gone in 50 years!?
The Class of 73'
1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Joe Frazier
4. Ken Norton
5. Jerry Quarry
6. Ron Lyle
7. Earnie Shavers
The Fights:
06-23-69. Frazier - Quarry I
10-26-70. Ali - Quarry I
03-08-71. Frazier - Ali I
06-27-72. Ali - Quarry II
01-22-73. Foreman - Frazier I
02-09-73. Quarry - Lyle
03-31-73. Norton - Ali I
09-10-73. Ali - Norton. II
12-14-73 Quarry - Shavers
01-28-74. Ali - Frazier II
03-26-74. Foreman - Norton
06-17-74. Frazier - Quarry II
10-30-74. Ali - Foreman
03-24-75. Norton - Quarry
05-16-75. Ali - Lyle
09-13-75. Lyle - Shavers
10-01-75. Ali - Frazier. III
01-24-76. Foreman- Lyle
06-15-76 Foreman - Frazier II
09-28-76 Ali - Norton. III
09-29-77. Ali - Shavers
21 fights from this group within 8 years
The Class of 23'
1. Tyson Fury
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Anthony Joshua
4. Wladimir Klitschko
5. Oleksandr Usyk
6. Andy Ruiz Jr.
7. Luis Ortiz
The Fights:
11-28-15. Fury - Klitschko
04-29-17. Joshua- Klitschko
03-03-18 Wilder - Ortiz I
12-01-18 Wilder - Fury I
06-01-19. Ruiz- Joshua I
11-23-19. Wilder - Ortiz II
12-07-19. Joshua- Ruiz II
02-22-20 Fury - Wilder II
09-25-21. Usyk- Joshua I
10-09-21. Fury - Wilder III
08-20-22. Usyk - Joshua II
09-04-22 Ruiz - Ortiz
12 fights from this group within 8 years
What has happened to the best meeting the Best????Stuntman Mike likes this.
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