Comments Thread For: Bob Arum: Fury-Usyk Fight 'Won't Be Hard To Make, Could Happen Soon As December''

[Toffee]

Do you think 30% is a "ridiculously low" split for Usyk?

Just to put things into context.

1. Usyk, the so-called unified world champ which people claim makes him get a better percentage, got $6m for his mandatory title defense against Dubois. By contrast, Fury made over $33m in his title defense against Whyte. Even Whyte, the challenger, got $7.4m which is more than what Usyk is making after Saudi backing.
2. Ngannou, someone with zero boxing fights which is what the Eddie fans use to discredit Fury-Ngannou, is making $10m which is way higher than what Usyk with many fights and belts is getting.
3. In both the above cases, Fury is potentially making over 4 times what his opponent makes, and even his opponents are making more than Usyk.
4. Fury actually offered a fight at Wembley and gave a 70-30 split which is a higher percentage than what others got (80-20) even though those boxers make more money than Usyk. Usyk never offered a deal to Fury but only said a Saudi "take-it-or-leave-it" deal is coming which we all know today does not exist. Fury is OK with a rematch or without a rematch but Usyk is not.

So, please tell us who is easier to make the deal and who deserves what percentages again.

Even Fury said 30% was a laughable split for a 3 belt champion. He mocked Usyk for talking it!

Then tried to remove the rematch.

He's a 3 belt champion. Of course he's worth 40% in a single fight.

The things you quote above really aren't comparable. The Ngannou fight is being made precisely because it makes money. It's not really a boxing event. It would compare more to what they would make if they starred in a movie together.

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Even Fury said 30% was a laughable split for a 3 belt champion. He mocked Usyk for talking it!

Then tried to remove the rematch.

He's a 3 belt champion. Of course he's worth 40% in a single fight.

The things you quote above really aren't comparable. The Ngannou fight is being made precisely because it makes money. It's not really a boxing event. It would compare more to what they would make if they starred in a movie together.

Fury is a legit A list celebrity, Usyk is a nobody who couldn't even sell out a $10 ticket event.

30% is generous

[JakeTheBoxer]

Don't got to. Ngannou (IG 5M, Twitter 970k) has more fans than Usyk (IG 2M, Twitter 150k).

I see you are high on Ngannou and Fury. Yes, that is why they have to use Usyk`s name to sell the fight.

[Zelda]

Even Fury said 30% was a laughable split for a 3 belt champion. He mocked Usyk for talking it!

Then tried to remove the rematch.

He's a 3 belt champion. Of course he's worth 40% in a single fight.

The things you quote above really aren't comparable. The Ngannou fight is being made precisely because it makes money. It's not really a boxing event. It would compare more to what they would make if they starred in a movie together.

The things I quote are there respective monetary values. Fury's challengers are making more money without any belt than Usyk is making with 3 belts which tells you worth (or lack of) of those belts. It is not just Ngannou but Whyte made more money than Usyk and even Chisora made close to what Usyk made. In all those fights, exhibition, mandatory, or voluntary, Fury is making more than 400% of what Usyk is making as a champ.

Fury did not try to "remove" the rematch, he just offered Usyk the option to go with or without it since Usyk had a problem with rematch split. If Fury is OK without a rematch and Usyk is not, that tells you who is more confident in winning. The split Fury is offering Usyk is similar (or slightly better) than what AJ offered him.

Usyk would be worth 40% IF he was bringing in 40% of Fury's money but he is not. He is bringing in around 20%, 30% is a rather generous offer.

[Toffee]

The things I quote are there respective monetary values. Fury's challengers are making more money without any belt than Usyk is making with 3 belts which tells you worth (or lack of) of those belts. It is not just Ngannou but Whyte made more money than Usyk and even Chisora made close to what Usyk made. In all those fights, exhibition, mandatory, or voluntary, Fury is making more than 400% of what Usyk is making as a champ.

Fury did not try to "remove" the rematch, he just offered Usyk the option to go with or without it since Usyk had a problem with rematch split. If Fury is OK without a rematch and Usyk is not, that tells you who is more confident in winning. The split Fury is offering Usyk is similar (or slightly better) than what AJ offered him.

Usyk would be worth 40% IF he was bringing in 40% of Fury's money but he is not. He is bringing in around 20%, 30% is a rather generous offer.

Don't worry about the "who is confident of winning" argument. It's a business decision, not a boxing confidence one. Neither fight is scared.

Also don't worry what AJ 'offered'. Hint: that was a mandatory with a defined split. Usyk was never taking less than that because he didn't have to do that to make the fight.

As for your last paragraph, it doesn't work like that. It takes 4 belts to make an undisputed fight. Usyk has three of them. Fury can't make the big undisputed fight without Usyk and Usyk can't make one without Fury.

They need each other. And that changes the financial position.

Or they can just fight others and Fury will earn what he earns, and Usyk will earn what he earns. Both will lose out compared to making that one undisputed fight (or two if they were to rematch). But then, neither loses their ability to earn off parading their current titles. Which tells you why any party to the fight deserves 'risk money'.

[Zelda]

Don't worry about the "who is confident of winning" argument. It's a business decision, not a boxing confidence one. Neither fight is scared.

Also don't worry what AJ 'offered'. Hint: that was a mandatory with a defined split. Usyk was never taking less than that because he didn't have to do that to make the fight.

As for your last paragraph, it doesn't work like that. It takes 4 belts to make an undisputed fight. Usyk has three of them. Fury can't make the big undisputed fight without Usyk and Usyk can't make one without Fury.

They need each other. And that changes the financial position.

Or they can just fight others and Fury will earn what he earns, and Usyk will earn what he earns. Both will lose out compared to making that one undisputed fight (or two if they were to rematch). But then, neither loses their ability to earn off parading their current titles. Which tells you why any party to the fight deserves 'risk money'.

LOL...yes, let's not worry about all the facts since they are going against your point.

Fury has made it clear he doesn't desire to be undisputed so that takes all that "need each other" argument away. He is already regarded as the top HW in the division, is the Lineal Champion, and has already held each of those belts previously. Fury also does not need Usyk because he is making good money already. It is Usyk who needs Fury because he is making less as a champ than contenders. The fans would definitely want to see that fight but for many of us, it is because of the styles and not the belts. I still want to see AJ vs Wilder even though neither has a belt.

Undisputed is a fantasy of many fanboys and some fighters but not everyone. Even if Fury were to become undisputed, he would probably vacate all but one the next day. The 4 belts come with financial burdens because you have to keep fighting mandatories and pay every sanctioning body its fee from your share. Might be a prospect if the belts make you but not if you make the belts. There is a good reason why many boxers ditched belts before.

[Eff Pandas]

I see you are high on Ngannou and Fury. Yes, that is why they have to use Usyk`s name to sell the fight.

I see reality if thats what you are saying, Ngannous IS more popular than Usyk. And lol if you think they are using Usyk to sell anything. They hardly use Usyk to sell his own fights since he's the B side in all his fights lately except DDD.

And I hate you are making me trash Usyk. Usyk is a talented mfer & I dig him as a person, but he's not selling like THAT. He barely talks ffs. Thats not someone who moves the needle with casuals very much.

[juggernaut666]

I guess I "thought" wrongly.

They already had arrangements.Fury will clearly want at least 3x the amount the others are getting . Any talk about percentages not being used is a lie because Fury will make it about cuts then and fabricate what he worth which will terminate any negotiations that are realistically doable,you can definitely cross out a double fight idea if that guys involved . Lol

[juggernaut666]

LOL...yes, let's not worry about all the facts since they are going against your point.

Fury has made it clear he doesn't desire to be undisputed so that takes all that "need each other" argument away. He is already regarded as the top HW in the division, is the Lineal Champion, and has already held each of those belts previously. Fury also does not need Usyk because he is making good money already. It is Usyk who needs Fury because he is making less as a champ than contenders. The fans would definitely want to see that fight but for many of us, it is because of the styles and not the belts. I still want to see AJ vs Wilder even though neither has a belt.

Undisputed is a fantasy of many fanboys and some fighters but not everyone. Even if Fury were to become undisputed, he would probably vacate all but one the next day. The 4 belts come with financial burdens because you have to keep fighting mandatories and pay every sanctioning body its fee from your share. Might be a prospect if the belts make you but not if you make the belts. There is a good reason why many boxers ditched belts before.

No one thinks anyone will hold on to all the belts it’s about being or achieving undisputed so the belts at that point aren’t the focus point it’s who can do it ,so everything you posted here is basically pointless . Fury not being undisputed doesn’t make him the best that’s a fact and certainly not fighting non boxers and Derrick Chisoras . Lol

[juggernaut666]

Fury is a legit A list celebrity, Usyk is a nobody who couldn't even sell out a $10 ticket event.

30% is generous

He should do celebrity boxing then and leave the pro fights to other pros fighting each other right ?