Why Pacquiao is GREATER than Mayweather

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  • HisExcellency
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    Why Pacquiao is GREATER than Mayweather

    Like Max Kellerman said, Pacquiao will go down HIGHER in the history books compared to Floyd because a) won first world title at FLYWEIGHT (Mayweather: Super Featherweight (18lbs difference)) b) 8 DIVISION champion including 5 LINEAL titles (Mayweather: 5 DIVISION champion including 4 LINEAL titles) c) 4 DECADE champion (Mayweather: 3 DECADE champion) d) dropped & defeated an unbeaten, avoided KO artist in his PRIME (Thurman) despite being 40yo (Mayweather: dominated a green 23yo Canelo at a catchweight).

    Don't get me wrong, Mayweather is a phenomenal fighter who's perfected the art of hitting without being hit and is probably the best technical boxer that's ever lived. However, if he wasn't the Vegas cash cow and Haymon's no.1 fighter, he'd also have a few LOSSES on his record too e.g. Castillo 1, DLH (his own daddy scored the fight for Oscar) and arguably Maidana 1 & the Pacquiao fight. Don't believe me? Just look at the new Vegas cash cow Canelo who somehow managed to secure a draw on one of the scorecards against Mayweather and a draw and victory over Golovkin in their first 2 fights which the vast majority of fans and media observers scored for Gennady. Also, despite winning almost every round, Bivol secured victory by the narrowest of margins with 115-113 on all 3 scorecards in their recent fight. Therefore, Mayweather's undefeated record is absolutely MEANINGLESS given the context.

    Another reason why I rate Pacquiao higher is because there's definitely been MORE 'cherry-picking' during Floyd's career (although Pacquiao definitely has some too). Mayweather has a stellar resume but he waited until Pacquiao was past his best and had already been knocked out instead of facing him at his peak in the late 2000s. Ditto for lightning fast Mosley who was 38yo when he almost stopped Mayweather so imagine how much more dangerous he would've been a decade earlier. He also defeated Hatton at 147lbs instead of 140lbs where he was an undefeated champion and schooled a weight-drained 23yo green Canelo at a 152lb catchweight in addition to insisting on another catchweight (144lbs but coming in heavier) to face JMM who had NEVER won a world title above 140lbs. DLH was also 34yo when he beat him via SD too.​
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    thats why crawford is the goat because hes not had any close fights

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      #3
      Originally posted by Smash
      thats why crawford is the goat because hes not had any close fights
      Crawford is arguably the best fighter of HIS generation but he's definitely NOT better than Pacquiao + Floyd. Firstly, they conquered far more weight classes (8&5 respectively) and fought in a much tougher era. However, the fact that Bud wins his fights decisively is impressive although very few of the names on his CV will go into the HoF unlike the others. Having said that, if he manages to beat Charlo AND Canelo to become 4x undisputed champion then he would belong in the same category.
      Last edited by HisExcellency; 09-15-2023, 12:51 PM.

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        Yeah but, that's just, your opinion man.

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          I don't want future boxing superstars to be like floyd or go his route doing what he did. Not fighting abroad, no rematches given to biggest rivals, not fighting toughest available whenever you can, not willing to give any advantages away if at all possible, etc etc I could go on and on
          That alone tells me pac s greater.
          Last edited by hugh grant; 09-15-2023, 12:56 PM.

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          • HisExcellency
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            #6
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            Yeah but, that's just, your opinion man.
            Obviously lol...feel free to disagree but at least tell me why you think I'm wrong.

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            • famicommander
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              A washed up version of Floyd easily dominated a younger version of Pacquiao. There's no way you can rationalize that fact away.

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                Max Kellerman wrote an article defending the character of a man who would return the favor by murdering his brother and the other half of his hip-hop duo Sam Kellerman. Pac was so used to being favored in fights he lost *JMM* he thought he was going to win the Mayweather fight on a gift, then cried about his shoulder for sympathy.

                The fights people say Money lost even though he didn't, they're talking about a few moments. Maidana had some highlight moments in the Money show. Castillo got a HL. But Pac? Man Pac got his ass kicked for rounds in the fights people say Pac lost even though he didn't.

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                • HisExcellency
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by famicommander
                  A washed up version of Floyd easily dominated a younger version of Pacquiao. There's no way you can rationalize that fact away.
                  Disagree...firstly Mayweather is 46 whereas Pacquiao is 44 so they're roughly the same age. Secondly, it was a much CLOSER fight than people think hence the two 116-112 scorecards although I can understand why people thought that Floyd edged the fight. Having said that, we can't overlook the fact that Mayweather was the Vegas cash cow and Haymon's no.1 fighter so it wasn't in boxing's interest that he lose whereas Pacquiao already had a few losses on his record. In fact, the 118-110 scorecard in his favour is PROOF that somebody's paying off the judges before the fight (just like Canelo-Mayweather or Canelo-Golovkin 1) so you have to question the validity of the other two scorecards too.

                  Regardless, none of this changes the fact that Floyd waited until Pacquiao was 36yo and had already lost his speed and power AND been knocked out before fighting him instead of facing him in his prime in the late 2000s. Ditto for 38yo Mosley who almost put Mayweather to sleep when they finally fought in 2010. Just imagine if Floyd had faced either of those two speed demons in their PRIME instead. Lastly, beating Pacquiao DOESN'T prove that Floyd is the better fighter just like Holmes or Berbick defeating Ali.

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                  • HisExcellency
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by hugh grant
                    I don't want future boxing superstars to be like floyd or go his route doing what he did. Not fighting abroad, no rematches given to biggest rivals, not fighting toughest available whenever you can, not willing to give any advantages away if at all possible, etc etc I could go on and on
                    That alone tells me pac s greater.
                    Agreed...I would've had FAR more respect for Floyd if he'd fought his rivals at their peak and engaged in trilogies like Duran-SRL, Pacquiao-JMM/Morales/Barrera. That's why I'll always rate Manny higher although not as high as the likes of SRR, Armstrong or Greb who fought HUNDREDS of times including 3, 4, 5 & 6 fight rivalries against the best competition and simply didn't CARE about losses.

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