Why Does David Benavidez Get A Pass For BLATANTLY Ducking Morrell?

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  • QueensburyRules
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    #61
    Originally posted by ImDominicanLipz
    Called out Morrell and swore he'd fight him or anybody, then said "the fight needs to build up". The man tried to fight Jaime who is a division lower than him bc it brought more money. David Benavidez is not a star. Him vs Caleb Plant did like 100k PPV. Why is he given a pass and still used as a reference point for Canelo haters?
    - -U feeling hemorrhoid today ain’t a good look.

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    • garfios
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      #62
      Originally posted by breWall
      It's not silence. It's more like, "Who TF are you to tell me when and not to dance with you? I offered to be your dancing partner a year ago, but then you told me you had to practice dancing with other stars. You were rushing me like it was life and death, and when I said let's do it you said NO you were not available. F you."
      I agreed that a year ago He wanted to fight benavidez, and they say yes, he never say no, nor his management. The one saying no was the trainer, and part of that was because he wasn't accustomed to his fighter. What changed now? Morell jr is not ordering to fight him, he's calling out his next rival that happens to be benavidez. That's how sports works, you go by levels, Morell jr has a belt, mandatory and ranked position, just like benavidez. What would you say if he was calling out tzsyu, charlo? Did you know ryder ran away from Morell jr?

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      • rickJen
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        #63
        Morrell needs to get rid of that trainer of his. That's the guy who destroyed Jermall's career.
        Charlo let him managed and dictate the trajectory of his career. He even made him his spokesman.
        Don't know why certain fighters let their trainers dictate their careers. Trainers are a dime a dozen in this sport.
        Losing is part of it. It will let you gain experience, correct mistakes like in any other profession, hone weaknesses.
        If you're scared of losing, you might as well find another career or job.

        What Morrell got is innate, not something any trainer can teach. Lara left Shields and stated recently that he
        made improvements in his inside game with his new trainer.

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          #64
          Why do fighters with less than 10 fights think they are entitled to jump the line for big fights? Who did he beat to win the vacant second tier title? Honestly I'd rather see Morrell vs Berlanga or Andrade.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Oracle01


            Yet everyone is demanding Canelo fights him. Ask anyone, fans, fighters, trainers, reporters, the first word out of their mouths is they want Canelo to fight Benavidez. That is odd for someone who is 'almost irrelevant' according to you. The Rings and WBC rankings also seem to disagree with you.
            He's irrelevant because he's not that good, mainly only die hards know him, and he's Canelo's opponent by process of elimination. Of course he's ranked, but also because of the process of elimination.

            R. Garcia
            Shakur
            Gevonta
            Fury
            AJ
            Canelo
            Wilder
            Inoue
            Crawford
            Tszyu

            These guys have big followings, are super great, or both. That's what I mean by relevant.

            Unless Benavidez fights Canelo, people aren't clamoring to see him fight and he's not that good. Period.

            He fought David Lemieux! And I'm Canadian and a fan of Lemieux. But that was sad.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Leonbus2

              He's irrelevant because he's not that good, mainly only die hards know him, and he's Canelo's opponent by process of elimination. Of course he's ranked, but also because of the process of elimination.

              R. Garcia
              Shakur
              Gevonta
              Fury
              AJ
              Canelo
              Wilder
              Inoue
              Crawford
              Tszyu

              These guys have big followings, are super great, or both. That's what I mean by relevant.

              Unless Benavidez fights Canelo, people aren't clamoring to see him fight and he's not that good. Period.

              He fought David Lemieux! And I'm Canadian and a fan of Lemieux. But that was sad.
              Whether you think he is that good is not relevant. What matters is that everyone in boxing has been calling for Canelo to fight him for a very long time so they must think he is very good.

              The rankings and Davids career disagree with you also. A bunch of those guys you listed have not even main evented a PPV yet unlike Benavidez. Nobody was interested in Canelo fighting the Charlos in 2023 and beyond because they are irrelevant to 168. Davis is a joke who has ducked the smoke every division he has ever fought while Benavidez just sent Canelo a 50m offer and was ignored.

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                #67
                Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                Why do fighters with less than 10 fights think they are entitled to jump the line for big fights? Who did he beat to win the vacant second tier title? Honestly I'd rather see Morrell vs Berlanga or Andrade.
                This is relevant. For as many fights Morrell has had he's ahead of the game, but there is a big difference between looking good vs guys who've lost on Shobox (who's one of his best opps to this day) & fighting top 3 guys in his division. There's a whole other level of guys he's not even fought yet so as a critic of him & a fan of him I'd like to see him beat some of those top 10ish-15ish type guys before we put him in with the best guys anyway.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                  Why do fighters with less than 10 fights think they are entitled to jump the line for big fights? Who did he beat to win the vacant second tier title? Honestly I'd rather see Morrell vs Berlanga or Andrade.
                  Who did he beat, is a pointless question, he, like dozens before him got to that position because the outfif backing him up, and he pass the eye test, also in 9 fights he has beaten a combined record of 139-18 opposition, not too shabby for a 24 yo with 9 fights, including three undefeated boxers. He has a belt, which I don't care by the way, #1 by the WBA, and if canelo is not fighting benavidez, this is a good fight, especially for the fans. Truth be told , the important question is who would be willing to fight him next? Not who has fought. And remember that ryder ran away from Morell jr, the same guy that fought ginger a few months ago.
                  Last edited by garfios; 09-02-2023, 10:35 AM.

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                  • garfios
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Eff Pandas

                    This is relevant. For as many fights Morrell has had he's ahead of the game, but there is a big difference between looking good vs guys who've lost on Shobox (who's one of his best opps to this day) & fighting top 3 guys in his division. There's a whole other level of guys he's not even fought yet so as a critic of him & a fan of him I'd like to see him beat some of those top 10ish-15ish type guys before we put him in with the best guys anyway.
                    I can see your point and that's what most prospects would do, the difference is that Morrell Jr has and still is on the fast track. If we are to compare careers, benavidez started fighting almost the same competition of that of Morell jr in his 14 or 15 fight. So in fact, the Cuban skipped the 0-5, 0-0, 23-20, 9-7 kind of fighters. For better or worse he took that path and I know if he take on one of those guys, he would be crucified for it. Hey, he fought a fellow prospect Aidos, with more fights than him who had koed the only fighter that went the distance with him, which by the way was 22-0 and Morrell Jr had one fight back them, people here were giving Aidos a good chance of beating him and after the fight, the same posters that thought he would win, were dismissing him as a bum. Go figure.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by garfios

                      I can see your point and that's what most prospects would do, the difference is that Morrell Jr has and still is on the fast track. If we are to compare careers, benavidez started fighting almost the same competition of that of Morell jr in his 14 or 15 fight. So in fact, the Cuban skipped the 0-5, 0-0, 23-20, 9-7 kind of fighters. For better or worse he took that path and I know if he take on one of those guys, he would be crucified for it. Hey, he fought a fellow prospect Aidos, with more fights than him who had koed the only fighter that went the distance with him, which by the way was 22-0 and Morrell Jr had one fight back them, people here were giving Aidos a good chance of beating him and after the fight, the same posters that thought he would win, were dismissing him as a bum. Go figure.
                      I had never heard of Aidos as a high or even any level prospect. I had never even heard of him at all til he signed to fight Morrell tbh. Being that he was as far into his career undefeated I assume he was at least a regional or low level prospect with hindsight tho & the fact he was a Canelo sparring partner adds some credibility to him. Idk about who did or didn't predict him to upset Morrell so can't comment on that, but I do know he was about a -1000 (90% implied odds to win) fav to beat him which doesn't suggest there was much upset expectations by most.

                      That said even fast tracked I think there is at least one or more fight(s) of more substance between a top 10, top 15 type guy that'd be a 4 or 5 star fight on boxrec that proves that he has earned a big fight & its a smoother jump up in class. Right now going from Aidos, a punching bag, a losing Shobox guy & a cat Liam Williams stopped as his top 3 opps isn't a good resume going into a fight with a top 3 (David B, Caleb, Canelo) type cat. The ideal fight for me would be vs Mbilli, another undefeated prospect who's highly considered & needs to bump up his resume, but any top 15ish guy would be his best opp thus far.

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