Comments Thread For: The Usyk-Dubois Low Blow Debate Continues

[PerfectJab]

I don't know.
Could just be me but I don't know if this is the kind of movement you would be doing after been blasted in the ***els by a full heavyweight.....
After 2 seconds I would be going "ok, maybe not"

[paulf]

The only person whose opinion matters is the ref. It looked low to him.

Dubois quit after being dropped by a jab.

"Dubois Won" people are even more delusional than the "Lomachenko won" crowd.

They did not win these fights. Get mental help.

[Kzbox]

The only person whose opinion matters is the ref. It looked low to him.

Dubois quit after being dropped by a jab.

"Dubois Won" people are even more delusional than the "Lomachenko won" crowd.

They did not win these fights. Get mental help.

Yeah Dubois quit but it wouldn't of got to the stage of him quitting if it wasn't counted as a low and given 5 minutes rest so people are entitled to be annoyed if it wasn't a big deal it wouldn't be such a big discussion in the first place not like Dubois is a fan favorite who everyone wanted to win so twisting narratives we going off what we seen in the fight.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

I don't know.
Could just be me but I don't know if this is the kind of movement you would be doing after been blasted in the ***els by a full heavyweight.....
After 2 seconds I would be going "ok, maybe not"

Lol. Good point.

And to all the Fury haters. If Usyk fights Fury next and knocks him down with a shot in that same place, I'll give Usyk full credit for the kd. Who gives a **** if Dubois won or lost? The point of the debate is, that shot is not low in basically any other pro fight. A shot on the belt line is basically never called a low blow.

[paulf]

Yeah Dubois quit but it wouldn't of got to the stage of him quitting if it wasn't counted as a low.

You dont know that. None of us do.

Dubois said "He wouldn't have beat the count, I should be champ"

Usyk said "Of course I'd have jumped up if there was a count"

Believe who you want, but ultimately who you choose to believe doesn't matter.

Fight ended with Dubois quitting. Usyk retained his titles.

[Kzbox]

You dont know that. None of us do.

Dubois said "He wouldn't have beat the count, I should be champ"

Usyk said "Of course I'd have jumped up if there was a count"

Believe who you want, but ultimately who you choose to believe doesn't matter.

Fight ended with Dubois quitting. Usyk retained his titles.

Usyk talks bull**** he was ****ed off that body shot no way in hell was he gonna get up in time, this "honorable warrior" business with Usyk is pure bull**** after that fight literally crying after every body shot that landed on him.

It is what it is but people are understandably annoyed over an incorrect call same as always bottom line is Usyk got exposed Wilder and Fury will beat his ass 100%

[angkag]

As a previous post states, the line is from the top of the hips not the belly button as usyks team claim.

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As far as I can see from the rule books fo the various organisations, including the Uniform Rules of Boxing from the Association of Boxing Commissions, not one of the sets of rules refers to any line involving the tops of the hips, or the belt. The only set of rules that is specific on what a low blow is the WBC (Section 15. Fouls, rule 1), which defines a low blow as 'below a line around the body going through the navel', consistent with what Russ Anber said at the press conference after the fight.

Assuming all orgs see low blows the same way, then the WBC definition is the go-to. Maybe ask the previous poster who mentioned the line at the top of the hips to refer to the rule book he got it from, then we can see if there is a discrepency that might cause some confusion.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

As far as I can see from the rule books fo the various organisations, including the Uniform Rules of Boxing from the Association of Boxing Commissions, not one of the sets of rules refers to any line involving the tops of the hips, or the belt. The only set of rules that is specific on what a low blow is the WBC (Section 15. Fouls, rule 1), which defines a low blow as 'below a line around the body going through the navel', consistent with what Russ Anber said at the press conference after the fight.

Assuming all orgs see low blows the same way, then the WBC definition is the go-to. Maybe ask the previous poster who mentioned the line at the top of the hips to refer to the rule book he got it from, then we can see if there is a discrepency that might cause some confusion.

Every fight a ref explains what he considers low. It is why we see refs sometimes say to guy, your trunks are high, and they at times even will pull them down a bit becsuse they want the fighter to know that just pulling the trunks up high doesn't mean a low blow. In this fight Usyk's trunks were fine, the issue is he was moving and bent when Dubois hit him and the belt line was on the navel and above it, the belt rides higher when a guy is in movement and bent. That shot in any other fight is a legal knockdown, not a low blow.

The ref may have not seen it clearly, it was a hometown ref and hometown fight for Usyk, so he almost assuredly just said no KD because a KD could have meant an Usyk loss. There was no shot below the belt, on the nut, in the groin, below the navel, it was a gut shot around the navel and Usyk was hurt.

We know it wasn't his nuts that were hurt because Usyk said, I would have jumped up if there had been a count. A nut shot from a 260 pound fighter with full force like that probably would have ended the fight. I give Usyk credit for recovering to be honest, dude is tough. But if it was a nut shot or "pulling the cup up and hurting his nuts" shot. he would have said, I couldn't move. He faked it, he has admitted it.

I will be interested to see if the commission looks at what he is now saying and takes it into account. He should be saying, I couldn't move, I was in agony. He outed himself as acting. And if he is forced to go on at an 8 count, he very well could have gotten knocked out. Or maybe he was fine and would have fought normally. But either way, it was a kd.

[hhh1200]

The problem is, this is common with this dude. Fanboy love him so much and their Eastern Euro and Central Asian nonsense to the point they don't want to face his midsection punch resistance is on the level of Keef Thurman. There is another Ukraine guy who did a video on him bailing on bodyshots. These dudes aren't LDBC for the knucklehead s like Montero.

Dudes running around here like this dude is some kind of Angel

[j0zef]

As a previous post states, the line is from the top of the hips not the belly button as usyks team claim.

The shot looked borderline (to me) but the ref has to make the fall then and there and he called "low". Usyks actions after that are all within the rules.

What would have happened if the ref hadnt called it low, who knows?

What we do know is that the refs call was "low", Usyk took his allotted recovery time then continued to fight and stopped Dubois. Nothing changes that.

"Top of the hips" and "navel" are the same, as defined by WBA and USA boxing rules in section 40.1: https://www.usaboxing.org/usa-boxing-rulebook, quote:

The belt line must be clearly indicated by a contrasting color and by using a 2-4 inches wide elastic waistband (the belt line is an imaginary line from the navel to the top of the hips).

Here's the video of the referee in Jared Anderson's fight (same day as Usyk vs. Dubois) clearly defining belt line, you can see his hand is clearly at the belly button level.

Here's the video of the impact in Dubois vs Usyk, showing the shorts move after hitting the cup

And another video which can be slowed down to 1/4 speed.
https://streamable.com/naf2mz?src=player-page-share


The idea of this controversy was manufactured by an announcer who didn't have a good view and from Frank Warren. There is no controversy. At all.