Comments Thread For: The Usyk-Dubois Low Blow Debate Continues

[angkag]

Every fight a ref explains what he considers low. It is why we see refs sometimes say to guy, your trunks are high, and they at times even will pull them down a bit becsuse they want the fighter to know that just pulling the trunks up high doesn't mean a low blow. In this fight Usyk's trunks were fine, the issue is he was moving and bent when Dubois hit him and the belt line was on the navel and above it, the belt rides higher when a guy is in movement and bent. That shot in any other fight is a legal knockdown, not a low blow.

The ref may have not seen it clearly, it was a hometown ref and hometown fight for Usyk, so he almost assuredly just said no KD because a KD could have meant an Usyk loss. There was no shot below the belt, on the nut, in the groin, below the navel, it was a gut shot around the navel and Usyk was hurt.

We know it wasn't his nuts that were hurt because Usyk said, I would have jumped up if there had been a count. A nut shot from a 260 pound fighter with full force like that probably would have ended the fight. I give Usyk credit for recovering to be honest, dude is tough. But if it was a nut shot or "pulling the cup up and hurting his nuts" shot. he would have said, I couldn't move. He faked it, he has admitted it.

I will be interested to see if the commission looks at what he is now saying and takes it into account. He should be saying, I couldn't move, I was in agony. He outed himself as acting. And if he is forced to go on at an 8 count, he very well could have gotten knocked out. Or maybe he was fine and would have fought normally. But either way, it was a kd.

yup, that's a key point. The legal line around the navel doesn't change as the boxer moves of course, but the shorts do, and as the ref uses the belt line as an indicator of where the legal area is, he's got a moving indicator. Standing upright, Usy's navel was slightly above the top of the beltline, but bending as he was, the top of the beltline could have ridden up to either the navel level or above it. I don't think any commission would override the call as low as from every angle, the ref's judgement call was not definitively incorrect. If we want an example of a definitive incorrect call from a ref, look no further that Mares's nut shot on agbeko in minute 2 of round 11 where the ref gave Agbeko a count.

[ozzy616]

If you watch the fight carefully you can see that Usyk's naval is at the very top of his shorts - therefore the line formed by the very top of his shorts is his beltline.

So any punch where part of the glove hits the very top of his shorts is okay. Unfortunately Dubois' glove is too low to do this - it's a low blow, there was no robbery.

On the other hand, Dubois' shorts are pulled up well above his naval - at no point during the fight can you detect his naval (I've checked ).

This means that ironically Dubois' beltline is debateable whereas Usyk's beltline is absolutely clear.

If there's an appeal I'm sure the WBA will use this definition of beltline and will throw out the appeal.

[hugh grant]

Usy k complained a few times before 5th. How many low blows did ddd actually do? How many is he guilty of, as I'm sure usy k complained about legit blows too

[Theshotyoudontsee]

If you watch the fight carefully you can see that Usyk's naval is at the very top of his shorts - therefore the line formed by the very top of his shorts is his beltline.

So any punch where part of the glove hits the very top of his shorts is okay. Unfortunately Dubois' glove is too low to do this - it's a low blow, there was no robbery.

On the other hand, Dubois' shorts are pulled up well above his naval - at no point during the fight can you detect his naval (I've checked ).

This means that ironically Dubois' beltline is debateable whereas Usyk's beltline is absolutely clear.

If there's an appeal I'm sure the WBA will use this definition of beltline and will throw out the appeal.

The punch is an uppercut to the body. We now have people showing video of the punch and saying that Dubois's hand and fist were well below the belt line. When you can see that Dubois's fist does not make contact with Usyk until it reaches the belt, which is above Usyk's navel because Usyk is bent over.

The punch LANDS on the navel, where the beltline is pushed up. The punch did not land on his cup. Dubois's hand skirts Usyk's trunks, but the impact point is a legal shot. It is very clear.

Where did the punch land? On his stomach. Not below the navel.

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[b Murphington]

If you watch the video from the clearer angle, it was an obvious low blow... https://streamable.com/naf2mz

Idk from this angle, it looks quite low.

[Leonbus2]

Never has been a debate. All my years watching boxing punch in that location would be counted as legal. Even if that was on the Solar Plexus and Usyk flopped the ref would have called it low and the real ones know that.

That's bull ****! I have been watching boxing for three decades and you know as well as I that belt line shots get called low sometimes.

[MrShakeAndBake]

Pictures don't lie.
Imo it's legal.

its a pictiure of a shot which was moving upwards , the actual blow was lower , watch the video

[Theshotyoudontsee]

The shot landed on the stomach around the navel, it did not land on the cup or waist. His hand traveled to the navel from underneath but the impact is clearly on the stomach, near the navel, on the belt becsuse the belt was riding high as Usyk was leaning over.

Here is a low blow. Kov is bent, Ward throws into the cup.


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Here is a low blow.


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These are low blows as we all know them. Below the belt.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

The shot landed on the stomach around the navel, it did land on the cup or waist. His hand traveled to the navel from underneath but the impact is clearly on the stomach, near the navel, on the belt becsuse the belt was riding high as Usyk was leaning over.

Here is a low blow. Kov is bent, Ward throws into the cup.


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Here is a low blow.


https://********/EjoYl5aTWdw?*************d

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These are low blows as we all know them. Below the belt.

Man watching that Ward low blow again, it is absolutely incredible they didn't DQ him, but instead he won. He literally won by nut shot.

And Golota with an actual nut combo.

[John "The Beast"]

Let's say it was in fact a borderline shot that gets called sometimes and sometimes not. It was this time and there was absolutely nothing controversial about it.