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  • billeau2
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    #11
    Originally posted by Dr. Z
    Who wins and how do you see this fight going?

    I see Usky outclassing Dubois, who was floored three times in the first round vs. a former weight cruiser was not ranked at heavyweight. It's a good thing for Dubios the 3 rule knock down was not in effect!

    I think Usky will bust Dubois up en route to an 8th round stoppage.​
    when is the fight? Usyk probably wins a decision. Dubois does not have the confidence to risk it and try to win in a way that leaves him open.

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    • Stuntman Mike
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      #12
      Originally posted by billeau2

      when is the fight? Usyk probably wins a decision. Dubois does not have the confidence to risk it and try to win in a way that leaves him open.
      When has dubois shown he has no confidence?

      He did blow out his last two opponents since joyce and the last one his leg gave out on him and still managed the ko in round 3 I believe

      Dubois will probably get his socks boxed off but he will try and land some power combinations unlike joshua who is gunshy

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        #13
        I like this fight, I think it's a lot more dangerous for Usyk than people are giving it credit for.

        Dubois is an explosive puncher and he's still young and full of beans, so he's not gonna be afraid to let his hands go. I also don't buy that he was rocked in his last fight, I've watched it back and a punch didn't even really land, he just stepped back awkwardly and his leg gave out. The following two knockdowns were the same thing, he basically just took a voluntary knee each time because he couldn't stand up properly. I do think he should have lost via TKO though due to the three knockdown rule. There was some real shady stuff in that fight.

        All in all, I fancy Usyk to win on points, but he might have to come through some hairy moments en route.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          Dubois is a live dog in my opinion.

          Usyk is a great Crusierweight by I watched him look terrible against Witherspoon and struggle against a bum in Chisora.

          I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Dubois beat him with his size, youth, strength, power.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Stuntman Mike

            When has dubois shown he has no confidence?

            He did blow out his last two opponents since joyce and the last one his leg gave out on him and still managed the ko in round 3 I believe

            Dubois will probably get his socks boxed off but he will try and land some power combinations unlike joshua who is gunshy
            Very few fighters are willing to risk a catastrophic failure to create a legitimate advantage, chance, to win a fight, in which a less risky strategy could be used. It is not just Dubois, and the Joyce situation might affect this as well, who knows? But that is not my point so much as how fighters handle risk.

            Watch how Aarop Pryor starts his fight series against Arguello. Watch how Holyfield pushesTyson off his base, and in order to do so comes right in and through Mike's wheel house. These were exceptions to the rule... Obviously this does not mean risk is better: Spence had the gumption to try harder to hit Crawford... and it was disasterious. BUT sometimes it is the only way... NO one will give Dubois a decision either.

            By contrast, watch Vitalie KLitsko, knowing that his face is degraded, in a close fight with Lewis... Watch Wallin against Fury, these are contrasts to the above and an example of how most fighters handle risk. Vitalie did not make a desperate attempt to KO Lewis knowing he was limited, Wallin did not try to change pace with Fury...

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              #16
              Originally posted by billeau2

              Very few fighters are willing to risk a catastrophic failure to create a legitimate advantage, chance, to win a fight, in which a less risky strategy could be used. It is not just Dubois, and the Joyce situation might affect this as well, who knows? But that is not my point so much as how fighters handle risk.

              Watch how Aarop Pryor starts his fight series against Arguello. Watch how Holyfield pushesTyson off his base, and in order to do so comes right in and through Mike's wheel house. These were exceptions to the rule... Obviously this does not mean risk is better: Spence had the gumption to try harder to hit Crawford... and it was disasterious. BUT sometimes it is the only way... NO one will give Dubois a decision either.

              By contrast, watch Vitalie KLitsko, knowing that his face is degraded, in a close fight with Lewis... Watch Wallin against Fury, these are contrasts to the above and an example of how most fighters handle risk. Vitalie did not make a desperate attempt to KO Lewis knowing he was limited, Wallin did not try to change pace with Fury...
              The fight is 8-26.

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                #17
                Originally posted by billeau2

                Very few fighters are willing to risk a catastrophic failure to create a legitimate advantage, chance, to win a fight, in which a less risky strategy could be used. It is not just Dubois, and the Joyce situation might affect this as well, who knows? But that is not my point so much as how fighters handle risk.

                Watch how Aarop Pryor starts his fight series against Arguello. Watch how Holyfield pushesTyson off his base, and in order to do so comes right in and through Mike's wheel house. These were exceptions to the rule... Obviously this does not mean risk is better: Spence had the gumption to try harder to hit Crawford... and it was disasterious. BUT sometimes it is the only way... NO one will give Dubois a decision either.

                By contrast, watch Vitalie KLitsko, knowing that his face is degraded, in a close fight with Lewis... Watch Wallin against Fury, these are contrasts to the above and an example of how most fighters handle risk. Vitalie did not make a desperate attempt to KO Lewis knowing he was limited, Wallin did not try to change pace with Fury...
                Dubois will surely know he has to bomb out usyk to win and I'm sure his trainer will realise too

                There's more credibility to go out on his shield and I'm sure chisoras old trainer will be giving him that mentality

                dubois will go for a ko its not as if he's fighting a huge puncher you're just basing this fight off the joshua fight but it will be completely different whether dubois succeeds or fails he will put on a better effort than joshua im sure

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Stuntman Mike

                  Dubois will surely know he has to bomb out usyk to win and I'm sure his trainer will realise too

                  There's more credibility to go out on his shield and I'm sure chisoras old trainer will be giving him that mentality

                  dubois will go for a ko its not as if he's fighting a huge puncher you're just basing this fight off the joshua fight but it will be completely different whether dubois succeeds or fails he will put on a better effort than joshua im sure
                  But will he do? Realising is one thing... What is good is that he has lost the goose egg, losing to Joyce... That can be a major inhibiting factor for a young fighter. I hope your right. He has talent. He potentially could move on up.

                  Usyk is not a large puncher but he is not what he first seems... He did miserably in hs first heavyweight fights, and he fought a lot less physically than he did at his best. For example, watch him against Hunter, where he is just mauling Hunter, slamming him around the ring. I think Usyk had an epiphany and realized that he could not change this aspect moving up... it clearly almost cost him the fight with Chisora.

                  So what Usyk will do, if given the opportunity, is physically pressure, throw punches in bunches accuratetly, and bulldoze even a bigger man who tires out, or who does not keep Usyk honest and having to reset for his attacks. People often overlook this aspect of Usyk... Another classic example was when he fought Bellew. Bellew kept him at bay and outboxed him! For a while... but when Bellew could not keep moving Usyk started to manhandle him, not just out punch/box him. The secret is, Usyk is actually a very physical fighter masquerading as a technical puncher... and of course he can do this because he is a great and accurate technician and Puncher.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    Dubois is a live dog in my opinion.

                    Usyk is a great Crusierweight by I watched him look terrible against Witherspoon and struggle against a bum in Chisora.

                    I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Dubois beat him with his size, youth, strength, power.
                    Yes, but I also wouldn`t be surprised if Usyk beat him easily. Dubois was dropped like 3 times in the first round in his last fight.

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                      #20
                      Shutout for Usyk

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