Hrgovic is sh**.

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He's a pound shop Vitali

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I don't think I am. I think all of them are ridiculously basic fighters without any special attributes to make up for that fact. Not one of those guys could win 3 rounds against Usyk or Fury and not one of those guys lasts 5 rounds with Wilder.

Wilder is ridiculously basic too but at least he has speed, power, and heart.

Most modern HW’s are pretty flawed I think. Especially as a lot of them are generally uncoordinated giants.

Most of them have one or two decent attributes though that you can at least look at and see how they could use them to give fighters problems. Like Joyce is massively flawed but his durability and output could potentially make him a problem for a fighter like Joshua who has obvious durability and stamina issues.

But when I look at this Hrgovic dude, I don’t even know what he does well. I don’t know what people see in him.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Most modern HW’s are pretty flawed I think. Especially as a lot of them are generally uncoordinated giants.

Most of them have one or two decent attributes though that you can at least look at and see how they could use them to give fighters problems. Like Joyce is massively flawed but his durability and output could potentially make him a problem for a fighter like Joshua who has obvious durability and stamina issues.

But when I look at this Hrgovic dude, I don’t even know what he does well. I don’t know what people see in him.

I see big strong guy that actually wants some good fights.

I think he is top 5 now.

In last years many heavyweights rejected any idea about fighting him. Ortiz, Parker, Ruiz, to name some.

[famicommander]

Most modern HW’s are pretty flawed I think. Especially as a lot of them are generally uncoordinated giants.

Most of them have one or two decent attributes though that you can at least look at and see how they could use them to give fighters problems. Like Joyce is massively flawed but his durability and output could potentially make him a problem for a fighter like Joshua who has obvious durability and stamina issues.

But when I look at this Hrgovic dude, I don’t even know what he does well. I don’t know what people see in him.

I don't think Joyce is that durable. I just think he didn't fight any quality punchers until he ran into Zhang, and Zhang is horrible too. That Jerry Forrest fight was as sad as Kimbo Slice vs Da Da 5000 from Bellator.

[PBR Streetgang]

At least Hrgovic can say he survived against Zhang in possibly a career worst performance, whereas Juggernaut Joyce was getting his face mashed up.

I guess that's a feather in Hrgovic's cap. I rather enjoy the heavyweight division because I think all of the "contenders" and champions have major flaws and are very beatable. Zhang is big, slow and has a questionable gas tank. He takes a good punch and he hits incredibly hard. Joyce is also massive and has a nonstop motor. His chin is good (until it isn't). He's slow and has no defense.

I comment on Hrgovic because 1) he just fought and 2) I don't think he's as much of a threat as others do.

[Dr. Z]

So you were commenting before and praising Hrgovic without actually having watched the fight?

Nothing I wrote was untrue. I did watch and score the fight, with some observations. Do you read them? The break down is on Hrgovic vs. Usyk is TBA.

[Dr. Z]

Most modern HW’s are pretty flawed I think. Especially as a lot of them are generally uncoordinated giants.

Most of them have one or two decent attributes though that you can at least look at and see how they could use them to give fighters problems. Like Joyce is massively flawed but his durability and output could potentially make him a problem for a fighter like Joshua who has obvious durability and stamina issues.

But when I look at this Hrgovic dude, I don’t even know what he does well. I don’t know what people see in him.

You are a pathetic player hater. Hrgovic is a big ( 6'6" ) with and very good reach ( 82" ) and hits hard. He is skilled with the right, the hook and the jab. He has a pretty good body attack as well, which is uncommon for heavyweight. And he has a heck of a chin. He has what I call pretty quick hands and feet. Stick to watching cartoons, kiddo.

[kiaba360]

The problem there is that all three of those guys suck.

The state of the HW division lol. I don't think they suck, just that they don't stand out as "elite". But hey, I'm not necessarily a HW fan, so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.

I think Hrgovic is decent, and his career would improve if he was more active.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You are a pathetic player hater. Hrgovic is a big ( 6'6" ) with and very good reach ( 82" ) and hits hard. He is skilled with the right, the hook and the jab. He has a pretty good body attack as well, which is uncommon for heavyweight. And he has a heck of a chin. He has what I call pretty quick hands and feet. Stick to watching cartoons, kiddo.

You’re clearly just a little butt-hurt Hrgovic fanboy. He’s sh**. Get over it you sad f***.

[Warrior7]

Really. I know something about boxing RJJ, and Hrgoivc beat Zhang on points ( the knock down called against him was BS ) and had not lost many rounds in any fight. And he has taken six underfed records in 16 for fights.

You under rater Hrgoivc's will for battle. He will walk right through Usyk's punches , and he had the size, reach, punch output., accuracy and speed to cause him problems. And the power to hurt him when he lands.

He is in his prime now. Usyk will be 37 soon, but he is without a doubt a top 3 heavyweight today.

Oh by the way it is an open secret that Usky does not take a good body punch, which Hrgovic has. Remember that. I'm not saying Usyk has no chance. I am saying it highly likely he will box circlers around him. Only an idiot believes that.

I will do a breakdown of the fight once it's an absolute go. In the man time, keep up the player hating.

Dr. Z had a really good post.
I would like to show basically the same thing from different angle, which is often not looked at all. As I wrote in one other thread where they were talking how Usyk will destroy Hrgovic.

I see that you are greatly underestimating Hrgovic chances against Usyk. Everything is in how someone match up with someone, and Hrgovic has chances against Usyk since he learned how to handle shorter and shifty fighters. That is one of his strongest sides actually.

To illustrate that, do yourself a favour and check on youtube Hrgovic fight against Sergey Kuzmin (European gold medalist in 2010... Usyk was in 2008 and Hrgovic was European gold medalist in 2015 ), Kuzmin looked in that fight like a random a guy they took from a bar. Then find Sergey Kuzmin fight against Joe Joyce where he knocked out Joyce.
What happened? Well, Kuzmin was a terrible match up for Joyce, as someone in comments said: Short Heavyweight with punch and good hand speed are nightmare for Joyce.

Well, Kuzimin is not even that short, he is the height of Usyk (and nowhere near as good as Usyk, of course) ... however, that was a perfect height difference for (much younger) Hrgovic who was literally mercilessly beating Kuzmin for the whole 5 rounds (BTW, just to mention, Klitschko was the all time greatest master in handling shorter fighters)

Later, in professional career Kuzmin lost against Martin Bakole and Michael Hunter (his only two losses), so it's clear he is not such a big class, but he is still a serious fighter who matches up badly against a Hrgovic.

For the end, perhaps you remember that Michael Hunter was supposed to fight Hrgovic in IBF final eliminator and was happy about it .. and suddenly he gave up of the fight. What happened? He and his team analyzed Hrgovic and noticed that he is great at handling shorter fighters and concluded they really don't need that kind of fight.

In short, to me Usyk Hrgovic looks like the fight that can easily go either way, due to Usyk being a good fit for Hrgovic. Actually, as strange as it sounds, perhaps Hrgovic is actually, favorite in that fight, as Dr. Z say ... since he is definitely better expert then me.