Comments Thread For: Andre Ward on Terence Crawford: "He Been The Best Fighter On The Planet For a Long Time Now"

[Raggamuffin]

Nothing tells that Crawford IS P4P better than Inoue, they are both as dominant in their own divisions.

Spence win getting too Big, Spence never was great, I have Always been saying that, and he has been looking like an old fighter since the car crash.

It's just that small divisions are underrated as usual and american fighters are favoured by medias to get this fantasy title.

P4P IS garbage anyway, I like Bud but I never Saw a fighter so neeedy to be claimed as the P4P best.
It's fake theorical fantasy title, it's pathetic.
Bud will never fight Usyk or Inoue so who cares.

We shoulda drop P4P discussion in the toilets.

Pfp is opinion, but when you unify 2 divisions and have all 4 belts in those divisions, it’s hard to pick Usyk or Inoue over him.

[daggum]

Remember when some in boxing had ward as the p4p number 1? That was laughable. His boxing skills were mediocre so he had to wrestle

[BillyBoxing]

Pfp is opinion, but when you unify 2 divisions and have all 4 belts in those divisions, it’s hard to pick Usyk or Inoue over him.

P4P means A fighter IS better than B fighter if they were the same size.
It's not about belt collected.

And if we go that way
Usyk has to beat Fury to unify a second division, not effing Spence.

Fury destroyed twice Wilder and won 12 rounds easy vs Klit while Spence who has been on PBC protection won close decisions with Porter and Danny G who in my opinion are no greater than Klit and Wilder.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Opinions and perceptions alter on a fight to fight basis.

Crawford has been apart of a group of fighters who I rate as 'Super Elite'.

This group of fighters, fight to fight are all competing with each other for the pound for pound number 1 rating.

Which in reality is quite subjective rating. Crawford has just achieved a big win, so now people will say he is pound for pound number 1.

I think Floyd Mayweather Junior & Roy Jones Junior were objectively the last real pound for pound number 1 fighters 'Objectively'.

I.E If you was to compare their feats of achievements to every other fighter, it was apparent that they were beyond the best of the Super Elite.

Right now, Crawford, Usyk, maybe even still Alvarez, and a few other fighters are still close.

For me Usyk has the ability or the fights out there for him, that pose him a challenge that objectively can be rated above what most other fighters can achieve.

If Usyk fights and beats Tyson Fury, physiologically and even skill for skill that type of challenge for me would be a super elite win.

Note: Crawford has been one of the fights fighters in the game for many years, but to be rating as the absolutely best is subjective more than objective etc.

[joseph5620]

Ward is great regardless of your sore loser subliminal Kovalev point, lmao…

Exactly. Like others in this thread he's pretending to like Crawford because he's still bitter about Ward beating Kovakev twice.

[joseph5620]

P4P means A fighter IS better than B fighter if they were the same size.
It's not about belt collected.

And if we go that way
Usyk has to beat Fury to unify a second division, not effing Spence.

Fury destroyed twice Wilder and won 12 rounds easy vs Klit while Spence who has been on PBC protection won close decisions with Porter and Danny G who in my opinion are no greater than Klit and Wilder.

Spence vs Garcia was not a close fight. So that's a lie.

People like you always said Wilder was overrated Now when Fury beats him it becomes a great win and all of Spence's victiories are all overrated? Right.....

[Raggamuffin]

P4P means A fighter IS better than B fighter if they were the same size.
It's not about belt collected.

And if we go that way
Usyk has to beat Fury to unify a second division, not effing Spence.

Fury destroyed twice Wilder and won 12 rounds easy vs Klit while Spence who has been on PBC protection won close decisions with Porter and Danny G who in my opinion are no greater than Klit and Wilder.

Pfp isn’t just about if they were the same size who wins. It’s that and all of the above when RANKING them. If it was just your scenario then we could throw any champion up against champion period. There is a pfp top 10 today and a pfp top 10 all time. And maybe Spence wasn’t the man that we thought he was, but we don’t say “effing Spence” after the fact. You sound like a fool. And if you want to go that “effing” route…Wilder was limited. Wilder over achieved. Fury was coked up and filled with PEDs and never paid the price against Wlad. I still love Fury doe. And while the Porter and Garcia fights were close…they weren’t really close. Not if you saw those fights. Spence was always a step ahead and he clearly won those fights.

[BillyBoxing]

Pfp isn’t just about if they were the same size who wins. It’s that and all of the above when RANKING them. If it was just your scenario then we could throw any champion up against champion period. There is a pfp top 10 today and a pfp top 10 all time. And maybe Spence wasn’t the man that we thought he was, but we don’t say “effing Spence” after the fact. You sound like a fool. And if you want to go that “effing” route…Wilder was limited. Wilder over achieved. Fury was coked up and filled with PEDs and never paid the price against Wlad. I still love Fury doe. And while the Porter and Garcia fights were close…they weren’t really close. Not if you saw those fights. Spence was always a step ahead and he clearly won those fights.

Ho I have been saying that Spence was not that good way before. Same for Wilder

Spence had no business being ranked amongst Nelo, Inoue, Bud, Usyk ect... Those guys are masters boxers.

There was no reason to do so, Spence never moved up, he always was the bigger guy, he never had truly impressive performances, let alone vs prime guys, dudes were coming off losses or quite past it, + it's pretty obvious he has been affected bye the car crash, he and Ugas looked like old men.

A master boxer would crash guys like DG or Shawn, see Bud.

Problem is undefeated fighters are overrated, they put Nelo behind Spence because ginger lost to Bivol.



Let's see what happens when Errol moves up various divisions and end up facing a guy like Bivol.

Ginger has losses because he has not been under uncle Al 24/7 protection.

Same for Loma, Loma IS a better fighter than Spence. He just took more risks, and I would rather have 3 losses like Loma than the beating Errol took tbh.

Uncle Al cashed out Errol's 0 because he felt he IS not the same fighter anymore after the car crashes.

He IS doing the same with both Charlots because they are not being active anymore. Watch out

[Raggamuffin]

Ho I have been saying that Spence was not that good way before. Same for Wilder

Spence had no business being ranked amongst Nelo, Inoue, Bud, Usyk ect... Those guys are masters boxers.

There was no reason to do so, Spence never moved up, he always was the bigger guy, he never had truly impressive performances, let alone vs prime guys, dudes were coming off losses or quite past it, + it's pretty obvious he has been affected bye the car crash, he and Ugas looked like old men.

A master boxer would crash guys like DG or Shawn, see Bud.

Problem is undefeated fighters are overrated, they put Nelo behind Spence because ginger lost to Bivol.



Let's see what happens when Errol moves up various divisions and end up facing a guy like Bivol.

Ginger has losses because he has not been under uncle Al 24/7 protection.

Same for Loma, Loma IS a better fighter than Spence. He just took more risks, and I would rather have 3 losses like Loma than the beating Errol took tbh.

Uncle Al cashed out Errol's 0 because he felt he IS not the same fighter anymore after the car crashes.

He IS doing the same with both Charlots because they are not being active anymore. Watch out

So how good was Errol before the crash? Was he the “not the same fighter anymore after the crashes” or was he just never that good? I’m confused. Does Errol beat Bud before the crashes? Some fighters dare to be great and move up divisions. No fighter ever has to move up doe. Monzon, Hagler and many others didn’t move up. Now if you move up and become successful then you have to judge them accordingly. I just always thought that Bud was better than Errol regardless of who Errol beat.

[Boxfan83]

Ive always liked Ward as a person. I remember being hyped for Kov vs Ward and rooting for Ward. After the end of the 12th in the first fight, I was literally crossing my fingers for a draw. During their second meeting I was sure Ward was the smarter of the 2 and would figure Kov out which he did but the blatant low blows shouldnt be ignored. I guess there are those whos egos are bigger than hindsight but to each their own.