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  • #41
    Originally posted by Bostonfear View Post
    It depends. Old school fighters had to fight more often and you just had more people who were fighters, so there were a lot of opponents to go through. So yes, Bud aint have to do that or done it

    But when you just look at his skills and abilities, I really do rate him as a top 5 ATG WW. Maybe even higher. Hard to think anyone can match up to Robinson, but feel like Bud might beat any other WW

    His combination of skills including being able to control the postion of your opponent. Bud was a wrestler and I think that gives him this huge advantage. And his ability to land power shots from any range at all, plus his ability to adapt and read and use patterns. That combo of skills is crazy

    Plus I have never seen a fighter use a hook to counter a jab so much, the dude does things no other fighter does
    Bud would have his hands full with Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard - I'd expect them to best him in trilogies. But, he'd be competitive, no doubt.

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    • #42
      Next fight @ 154 pounds? Spence should stop drinking alcohol in order to last the distance!

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Rigpig View Post

        Not saying Floyd wasn’t a great boxer because he absolutely was. Crawford is more complete imo. He’s never had a bout that you questioned if he won he completely dominates and knocks people out. He isn’t looking to catch guys ready to retire either he moved up fought everyone he could get in the ring who had a belt beat em all. Floyd’s matchups were very calculated and timed out. They’re two different fighters Crawford is just more complete imo is all I’m saying which I think makes him better.
        Also it’s well known that Spence was touching up Mayweather pretty good in sparring sessions and Crawford toyed with him a bigger stronger more experienced version.
        Listen I hate Floyd great fighter but he's a total knob. He was literally just out of jail when he sparred spence so it's not a fair comparison. Personally I think buds killer instinct would be the difference in a mythical match up but we'll never know

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Rigpig View Post
          Until Crawford starts to decline he is the best in boxing and the best fighter in quite some time better than Floyd imo. He doesn’t have any controversial decisions on his record he dominates pretty much everyone and in the biggest most challenging fight of his career he destroyed his competition. I’d put my money on him to do the same to Charlo if he were to move up and get that fight. I think almost everyone underestimates his power. Not only does he have power he has the skill set to use it very effectively. He didn’t ever look like he was even breathing hard Saturday.
          I can never put Crawford above Floyd personally. Crawford has ONE hall of Famer on his resume. One. And it was this past weekend. Floyd has a plethora. Crawford is amazing as well. But he’s not Floyd as far as accomplishments. Crawford/Floyd comparison could arguably be the same as Boots/Crawford comparison. We can say without question “one of these two have a resume far far superior than the other” in both those situations

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet View Post
            The sturdy chin of Spence?

            Crawford was his first K.O artist as rival.

            Brook, García, and Porter were not big punchers.

            Crawford was his first rival with great power.

            Lol with this american expert , thats the reason they create overrated fighters.
            You think Issac Cruz is good, sit this one out lol
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            • #46
              Originally posted by Rigpig View Post

              Not saying Floyd wasn’t a great boxer because he absolutely was. Crawford is more complete imo. He’s never had a bout that you questioned if he won he completely dominates and knocks people out. He isn’t looking to catch guys ready to retire either he moved up fought everyone he could get in the ring who had a belt beat em all. Floyd’s matchups were very calculated and timed out. They’re two different fighters Crawford is just more complete imo is all I’m saying which I think makes him better.
              Also it’s well known that Spence was touching up Mayweather pretty good in sparring sessions and Crawford toyed with him a bigger stronger more experienced version.
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              So how do you explain Crawford guys like Khan and Brook? Both guys were far removed from being in the top 10 WW. If Floyd’s matchups were “calculated” so is Crawford’s.

              As for your tale about Spence touching Floyd, why are you leaving out context? This is the same silliness we heard about Spadafora beating up Floyd. Where the hell is Spadafora and where is Spence going after this loss?
              Spadafora was training for a fight and Floyd was not.
              Floyd was not training for a fight when he started Spence.
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              • #47
                Originally posted by SteveM View Post

                Bud would have his hands full with Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard - I'd expect them to best him in trilogies. But, he'd be competitive, no doubt.
                Hearns and his 78" reach is a problem for anyone. He's my GOAT at 154. Nobody touches him.
                Last edited by Gary Coleman; 08-01-2023, 09:35 AM.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Oregonian View Post
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                  So how do you explain Crawford guys like Khan and Brook? Both guys were far removed from being in the top 10 WW. If Floyd’s matchups were “calculated” so is Crawford’s.

                  As for your tale about Spence touching Floyd, why are you leaving out context? This is the same silliness we heard about Spadafora beating up Floyd. Where the hell is Spadafora and where is Spence going after this loss?
                  Spadafora was training for a fight and Floyd was not.
                  Floyd was not training for a fight when he started Spence.
                  On paper of course Floyds resume is better. I havent really seen anyone say otherwise? Even though in reality that resume is not as good as people say due to his selective timing.

                  We're just talking about how good we think Bud is, in terms of being a fighter and skills. And I think he's better than Floyd, and Floyd was obviously one of the best of his era. Even if he has almost lost at least a couple of fights, and a buncha lackluster fights where his scoring werent even real punches, just touches. Whereas Bud woulda knocked out Oscar.

                  As for Bud being selective, he fought the best fighters he could get his hands on. PBC refused to let any of their fighters fight him, so there is context and nuance to the argument
                  Last edited by Bostonfear; 08-01-2023, 10:28 AM.
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Teetotaler69 View Post
                    I wouldn't say goat. But yeah Crawford beat tf outta an overhyped Mediocre fighter in spencerina
                    You are acting like a typical troll to say Spence was an overhyped, mediocre fighter. He had 3 of 4 world titles and never lost a fight until he fought Bud yet he's mediocre. GTFOH. I don't think you really understand the meaning of the word mediocre or you just like to downplay the accomplishments of world class athletes out of jealousy or maybe you just don't like black people. Either way your comments are meaningless and disgraceful. You don't become P4P #1 by beating all mediocre fighters. Crawford is just that much better than everyone else.
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by juanpablo View Post

                      the ATG competition at WW is long and you didn't even mention SRL, SRR, Hearns, Duran, etc. It's one of the most (if not the most) competitive divisions in the sport throughout history. Trinidad had 15 defenses at WW against some killers so it's hard to rate TC at the top of an ATG list right now at welter. He does have time to become undisputed at SWW and that would be crazy for his legacy and his spot at the ATG list
                      apparently some people that just started watching boxing the past 10 years think a 35 year old welterweight would run thru the 90s welterweights, in which a lot of them were in their 20s and primed.

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