Crawford #1 P4P by far!!!!

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  • Hustle
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    #61
    Crawford easily is number 1.

    Undisputed in 2 different divisons while stopping them all in the last 5 years.

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    • Smash
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      #62
      1. Crawford
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      5. The Rest of Em

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        #63
        Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07
        I wouldn't argue with it, although Inoue still has a solid argument. I think it's beyond dispute that we know who the best two fighters are, however. Both had performances worthy of ATG fighters against what was supposed to be their biggest test and a 50/50 fight. Feels like it cheapens the performance to try to split hairs about who is better.

        Can say, without question, that Bud is the best welterweight though.
        It's not splitting hairs when one is undisputed in two weight classes and the other isn't. Spence was on the pound for pound list. Fulton wasn't.

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          #64
          p4p is an inherently unfair list, to the heavyweights that is, how the hell are those big lumps supposed to boil down to cruiser

          how about a points based p4p list where each fighter is allocated a certain amount of points based on their wins against other fighters who have a certain amount of points so we can all argue about which fighters deserve what points instead

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            #65
            Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07
            I wouldn't argue with it, although Inoue still has a solid argument. I think it's beyond dispute that we know who the best two fighters are, however. Both had performances worthy of ATG fighters against what was supposed to be their biggest test and a 50/50 fight. Feels like it cheapens the performance to try to split hairs about who is better.

            Can say, without question, that Bud is the best welterweight though.
            Please stop the bs. Inoue has zero solid argument, even if he was to fight and beat Tapales and become two weight champion. All those guys are average fighters. Inoue an ATG? WTF, nonsense.

            If Bud retired today he'd be considered an ATG but if Inoue retired he'd be an Hall Of Famer. That's the best way to put it.

            Inoue would be a Chocalitito type career level with less marquee wins on his resume and Bud would be somewhere in between Pac, Floyd, Roy, Sweet Pea. So no it's not close even remotely.

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              #66
              Put your money where your mouth is, Inoue would be betting favourite if he stepped up another division. Bud, not so much.
              Inoue is no1 pfp.
              Last edited by hugh grant; 07-30-2023, 02:25 PM.

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                #67
                Originally posted by joseph5620

                It's not splitting hairs when one is undisputed in two weight classes and the other isn't. Spence was on the pound for pound list. Fulton wasn't.
                It's easy to point out that Inoue is one fight away from his second undisputed, and fought the #1 unified champion in his divisional debut, rather than settling into a division, and earning a lone title against a guy who benefited from a robbery vs Pacquiao, and not fighting for undisputed for 5 years and 7 fights.

                And Spence didn't deserve to be on the P4P list in the first place, with his limited resume. He was only there because of American media bias.

                As I said, I don't have a problem with Crawford being #1. But I don't think appreciating Crawford's sublime performance requires devaluing Inoue. It's ok though. Crawford is at the tail end of his career. Inoue will continue to prove why people who overlook the smaller divisions are idiots. People said the same things about Pacquiao too. If you can't see greatness in both performances, you don't understand or appreciate the sweet science.

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                • Smash
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                  #68
                  if there is this much gap between two top p4p guys imagine what p4p no1 would do to p4p no10, the mind boggles

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Smash
                    p4p is an inherently unfair list, to the heavyweights that is, how the hell are those big lumps supposed to boil down to cruiser

                    how about a points based p4p list where each fighter is allocated a certain amount of points based on their wins against other fighters who have a certain amount of points so we can all argue about which fighters deserve what points instead
                    The heavyweights could help themselves by simply getting fights made at this point.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by hugh grant
                      Put your money where your mouth is, Inoue would be betting favourite if he stepped up another division. Bud, not so much.
                      Inoue is no1 pfp.
                      I’d favor Crawford over Jermell Charlo easily right now.

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