Why is Spence on p4p list?

[moochi]

He's American. That gives him 5 places head start over any foreigners by default.

[billeau2]

Beterbiev has only faced two champions ever, Gvozdyk and Joe Smith Jr., and has 8 defences. Spence has faced 7 champions and has 6 title defenses.

That being said, I have a tough time seeing why a few fights at welterweight makes for such a big deal. It made sense around the 50's because boxing was big in the US, and the average male in the US weighed fairly close to the welterweight limit so you'd find the most talent there.

These days, however, the average American male weighs 197, while the average male in the WORLD weighs about 136. There's actually more talent in the lower weight classes because there's more competition there, and the talent pool for the bigger divisions is shifting up as well. But saying that Spence's resume, win or lose, is somehow the equal of Inoue's, who has faced 13 world champions and is 20-0 with 18 stoppages in world title fights seems asinine to me.

You make a good point about the average weight shifting with the weight of the world... I am still looking into whether the more athletic weight for an elite athete universally, or the average weight makes for a more competative division. I do suspect it might be more truthful if we dropped what was the American average in the 50's to the world average... But Welter is still a vry very competative division, with perhaps only 130 to140 being equal, or more so... MAYBE

[billeau2]

He's American. That gives him 5 places head start over any foreigners by default.

yeah because European fighters are so keen to challenge all over the world ... Like Calzighe right? a real barn burner who went after the USA paper champions like Jones, etc... and showed that American fighters are a build up... Oh wait! Never mind... Or Kahn, or other middle division Brits who showed that the American champions were paper tigers! Like Froch did to Ward!! Oh waiiit.....

Fighting is an international endevour these days... But America produces great fighters today like it did back in the day... No need to hype something that performs to begin with.

[crimsonfalcon07]

You make a good point about the average weight shifting with the weight of the world... I am still looking into whether the more athletic weight for an elite athete universally, or the average weight makes for a more competative division. I do suspect it might be more truthful if we dropped what was the American average in the 50's to the world average... But Welter is still a vry very competative division, with perhaps only 130 to140 being equal, or more so... MAYBE

Fighters are great athletes who have to be in great shape, up until heavyweight when it no longer matters because there's no upper limit. As you know, no matter the size, you CAN train to move athletically, although that takes time. Hence the difference in not boiling down and moving up as the body grows vs moving up past natural weight class. So my su****ion is that the more athletes available to compete in a weight class, the more competitive the weight class will be. There's actually a lot of great talent in the main weight classes around Muay Thai, for instance, and many Lumpinee and Rajadamnern champions have also become boxing world champions. Last time I looked into it, it was pretty deceptive, because many Asian fighters don't get registered with the Western sites, and there's comparatively few westerners.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Because the american tv, press and media.

[Mexican_Puppet]

yeah because European fighters are so keen to challenge all over the world ... Like Calzighe right? a real barn burner who went after the USA paper champions like Jones, etc... and showed that American fighters are a build up... Oh wait! Never mind... Or Kahn, or other middle division Brits who showed that the American champions were paper tigers! Like Froch did to Ward!! Oh waiiit.....

Fighting is an international endevour these days... But America produces great fighters today like it did back in the day... No need to hype something that performs to begin with.

Bro, american are the Best in this sport
But a Lot of them are overrated

And a Lot of them receive more attention and preferencia to tv, media,press, only because they are americans

WHen they dont have more skills and achievementa than other foreign guys


For example, Inoue one a beast most of his career and he is getting respect lately because he destroyed an american boxer

[JakeTheBoxer]

All credit to Crawford for the win, don`t get me wrong. But did Spence show any skills he belongs to top 10 p4p?

[billeau2]

Fighters are great athletes who have to be in great shape, up until heavyweight when it no longer matters because there's no upper limit. As you know, no matter the size, you CAN train to move athletically, although that takes time. Hence the difference in not boiling down and moving up as the body grows vs moving up past natural weight class. So my su****ion is that the more athletes available to compete in a weight class, the more competitive the weight class will be. There's actually a lot of great talent in the main weight classes around Muay Thai, for instance, and many Lumpinee and Rajadamnern champions have also become boxing world champions. Last time I looked into it, it was pretty deceptive, because many Asian fighters don't get registered with the Western sites, and there's comparatively few westerners.

Heavyweights used to have to be in shape... Hence why they came in light for fights back in the day... People might be shocked to know what weight champs like Louis and Marciano walked around at... 220 and up. Marciano today, would probably fight at over 200 easy. Louis later in his career, at his twilight fought at around 220 give, or take.

The initial difference is simply in the numbers: For example, take the following true statement "China has some of the smartest and dumbest people in the world." You get enough people you will get a wider sample, with more individuals, across any Bell Curve than with substantially less people." Hence, for every studious Asian in this country (USA) with a desire and the resources to excel in school, is a low achieving individual who probably can achieve relatively little by comparison.

Absolutely correct about the Thai weight classes! That is a great example. The main class for the champion Thai fighter is around Welter I believe... or just below. With sufficient pedigree yes many of these champs compete in boxing, some have a decent go of it. Actually Pacman was, and always fought like a Thai fighter. Dominant line, fast feet in and back off the line.

[billeau2]

Bro, american are the Best in this sport
But a Lot of them are overrated

And a Lot of them receive more attention and preferencia to tv, media,press, only because they are americans

WHen they dont have more skills and achievementa than other foreign guys


For example, Inoue one a beast most of his career and he is getting respect lately because he destroyed an american boxer

Yes but I see that as a different issue. The American boxing scene is considered the Blue Ribbon competition to enter in order to fight the best competition. Fighters like Lewis, Pitbull, Inoue do not only compete in their countries, they are the best because they fight the best... The hypocracy can just be aggevating: Take fighters like Ward and Bud and Regis as well, who are hometown fighters, giving it up for the cities they were born and raised in... Who fight anyone from all over the world... Someone will claim they are duckers. People used to give Ward massive shiat for this when you know what? Oakland is a 1 hour flight, leaving on the hour from Vegas... Oakland has everything you need to enjoy a fight, even casinos! and heck, just jump a short flight back to vegas... When Ward fought in Oakland it got the revenue, and it never deprived any fans who would go to Vegas to see someone like Hatton fight.

These same people will say American fighters are overrated as though they will not fight the best they can, then they will give props to a fighter like Ottke, or Calzighe who avoided fighting the best of the best... Make sense? When I see a guy like Isaac Cruz, probably my favorite active fighter right now, I see a great Mexican fighter who would never praise/condemn a fighter based on nationality. Cruz wouldn't care where someone is from... In America you can have great fighters from everywhere... America just happens to have a lot of talent and be the epicenter of Boxing's big fights... has nothing really to do with whether a fighter is from Texas, or Mexico City.

[daggum]

why is tank? tanks been a ton of divisions but has never fought anyone good. i guess thats better?