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  • Originally posted by Boxingfanatic75 View Post

    I’m sorry but I have to cut ignorance off at its root because, well, Social Media and Lame Stream News have fed you lies. With that said, you seem to lump DeSantis in with this audience. As a result, I’ll challenge you directly to cite for me absolutely ANYTHING that would label DeSantis what you’re ascribing to him. If you don’t care for his politics then say that. If you don’t care for his policies then say that. But to imply he is (insert lazy word here) tells me you know absolutely nothing about the man and eat what you’re fed by the very party that’s had control over ********** for years.

    In the words of Dr. Phil, “how’s that working out for ya?”
    DeSantis’s crusade to delegitimize the horrors of slavery is white supremacy in government

    ​The historical revisionism being employed here has a singular goal – to erase the horrors of America’s racist past, legitimize far-right ideology and create easier pathways for racism to thrive.

    Just look at what’s happening in Italy. For years, revisionists have redirected conversation about Italy’s role in the second world war away from its ******* crimes, effectively trivializing that past – and helping legitimize the county’s new far right. The prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, and her ilk simply refuse to acknowledge that ****s and *******s were the bad guys in the war, and this ridiculous glossing over of Italy’s past has been extremely helpful to Italy’s contemporary far right.

    That is what DeSantis wants for America. A systematic destruction of human rights followed by a reworking of our collective memory around race, so that ultimately the country’s most vulnerable people don’t have a leg to stand on in fighting for their most basic rights...

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hite-supremacy

    Ron DeSantis is following a trail blazed by a Hungarian authoritarian
    The Florida governor isn’t doing “competent Trumpism.” He’s inventing American Orbánism.

    In June of last year, Hungary’s far-right government passed a law cracking down on ***** rights, including a provision prohibiting instruction on ***** topics in sex education classes.

    About nine months later, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed the so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill banning “classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity” up through third grade. According to some knowledgeable observers on the right, these two bills were closely connected.

    “About the Don’t Say Gay law, it was in fact modeled in part on what Hungary did last summer,” Rod Dreher, a senior editor at the American Conservative magazine, said during a panel interview in Budapest. “I was told this by a conservative reporter who ... said he talked to the press secretary of Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida and she said, ‘Oh yeah, we were watching the Hungarians, so yay Hungary.’”

    (When I asked DeSantis press secretary Christina Pushaw about a possible connection, she initially denied knowing of Hungarian inspiration for Florida’s law. After I showed her the quote from Dreher, she did not respond further. Dreher did not reply to two requests for comment.)

    It’s easy to see the connections between the bills — in both provisions and justifications. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán described his country’s anti-***** law as an effort to prevent gay people from preying on children; Pushaw described Florida’s law as an “anti-grooming bill” on Twitter, adding that “if you’re against the Anti-Grooming Bill, you are probably a groomer” — meaning a person preparing children to become targets of sexual abuse, a slur targeting ***** people and their supporters that’s becoming increasingly common on the right.

    This is not a one-off example. DeSantis, who has built a profile as a pugilistic culture warrior with eyes on the presidency, has steadily put together a policy agenda with strong echoes of Orbán’s governing ethos — one in which an allegedly existential cultural threat from the left justifies aggressive uses of state power against the right’s enemies.

    Most recently, there was DeSantis’s crackdown on Disney’s special tax exemption; using regulatory powers to punish opposing political speech is one of Orbán’s signature moves. On issues ranging from higher education to social media to gerrymandering, DeSantis has followed a trail blazed by Orbán, turning policy into a tool for targeting outgroups while entrenching his party’s hold on power.

    Orbán has recently emerged as an aspirational model for many on the Trump-friendly right. During his presidency, many observers on both sides of the aisle compared Trump to the Hungarian autocrat — and not without some justification. But after a 2018 visit to Hungary, I concluded that Trump was not competent or disciplined enough to implement Orbán-style authoritarianism in America on his own. The real worry, I argued, was a GOP that took on features of Orbán’s Fidesz party.

    DeSantis’s agenda in Florida is evidence that the ********** shift in this direction is continuing, maybe even accelerating. He has shown little interest in moderation or consensus-building instead centering his governing philosophy on using policy to own the libs. While Trump may have been an ideological catalyst for the GOP’s authoritarian lurch, DeSantis is showing how it could actually be implemented in practice. The consequences for democracy in Florida, and America in general, could be dire...

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...itarian​

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    • Originally posted by Boxingfanatic75 View Post

      I’m sorry but I have to cut ignorance off at its root because, well, Social Media and Lame Stream News have fed you lies. With that said, you seem to lump DeSantis in with this audience. As a result, I’ll challenge you directly to cite for me absolutely ANYTHING that would label DeSantis what you’re ascribing to him. If you don’t care for his politics then say that. If you don’t care for his policies then say that. But to imply he is (insert lazy word here) tells me you know absolutely nothing about the man and eat what you’re fed by the very party that’s had control over ********** for years.

      In the words of Dr. Phil, “how’s that working out for ya?”
      Only 11 Hours ago...

      DeSantis campaign fires aide behind neo-**** meme video
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2381890.html

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      • Originally posted by Bronx2245

        DeSantis’s crusade to delegitimize the horrors of slavery is white supremacy in government

        https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hite-supremacy

        Ron DeSantis is following a trail blazed by a Hungarian authoritarian
        The Florida governor isn’t doing “competent Trumpism.” He’s inventing American Orbánism.

        https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...itarian​
        ​​
        You’re going to have to do better than an “opinion piece” a “hit job” from Tayo Berto the “social justice journalist” who ascribed the public backlash on Will Smith as “racism.” That alone, discredits her from anything of value or truth in her ramblings. It also establishes what her political slant is as well as her lens on life. She isn’t a “journalist.” She’s a “Social Justice Warrior” with the “journalist” moniker. It isn’t difficult to root these charlatans out who see everything through a colored lens.

        You’ll also have to do a wee bit better in citing another author who writes opinion pieces for Ezra Freaking Klein at Vox. I mean, I have been following politics, the movers, the shakers, the people who pull the strings for decades. Ezra Klein is the last person I’d ever venture to say I’m going to get a straight news story from that isn’t 100% opinion based with a center/left, far left bias.

        Simply put, there is no there there. DeSantis isn’t what you’re ascribing to him. Lefties typically bring out all the bogey men terms come election time to keep their voters in line….fear and ignorance is a powerful tool.

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        • Originally posted by Bronx2245 View Post
          Only 11 Hours ago...

          DeSantis campaign fires aide behind neo-**** meme video
          https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2381890.html
          Ok? And? He was promptly canned. These folks have hundreds of people that work for them and most they never directly hire. I too can line up hundreds of skeletons across ANY CAMPAIGN that would make your head spin. I judge people based on their actions. And this was swiftly dealt with.

          Straws

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          • Originally posted by Bronx2245 View Post

            DeSantis’s crusade to delegitimize the horrors of slavery is white supremacy in government

            ​The historical revisionism being employed here has a singular goal – to erase the horrors of America’s racist past, legitimize far-right ideology and create easier pathways for racism to thrive.

            Just look at what’s happening in Italy. For years, revisionists have redirected conversation about Italy’s role in the second world war away from its ******* crimes, effectively trivializing that past – and helping legitimize the county’s new far right. The prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, and her ilk simply refuse to acknowledge that ****s and *******s were the bad guys in the war, and this ridiculous glossing over of Italy’s past has been extremely helpful to Italy’s contemporary far right.

            That is what DeSantis wants for America. A systematic destruction of human rights followed by a reworking of our collective memory around race, so that ultimately the country’s most vulnerable people don’t have a leg to stand on in fighting for their most basic rights...

            https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hite-supremacy

            Ron DeSantis is following a trail blazed by a Hungarian authoritarian
            The Florida governor isn’t doing “competent Trumpism.” He’s inventing American Orbánism.

            In June of last year, Hungary’s far-right government passed a law cracking down on ***** rights, including a provision prohibiting instruction on ***** topics in sex education classes.

            About nine months later, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed the so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill banning “classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity” up through third grade. According to some knowledgeable observers on the right, these two bills were closely connected.

            “About the Don’t Say Gay law, it was in fact modeled in part on what Hungary did last summer,” Rod Dreher, a senior editor at the American Conservative magazine, said during a panel interview in Budapest. “I was told this by a conservative reporter who ... said he talked to the press secretary of Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida and she said, ‘Oh yeah, we were watching the Hungarians, so yay Hungary.’”

            (When I asked DeSantis press secretary Christina Pushaw about a possible connection, she initially denied knowing of Hungarian inspiration for Florida’s law. After I showed her the quote from Dreher, she did not respond further. Dreher did not reply to two requests for comment.)

            It’s easy to see the connections between the bills — in both provisions and justifications. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán described his country’s anti-***** law as an effort to prevent gay people from preying on children; Pushaw described Florida’s law as an “anti-grooming bill” on Twitter, adding that “if you’re against the Anti-Grooming Bill, you are probably a groomer” — meaning a person preparing children to become targets of sexual abuse, a slur targeting ***** people and their supporters that’s becoming increasingly common on the right.

            This is not a one-off example. DeSantis, who has built a profile as a pugilistic culture warrior with eyes on the presidency, has steadily put together a policy agenda with strong echoes of Orbán’s governing ethos — one in which an allegedly existential cultural threat from the left justifies aggressive uses of state power against the right’s enemies.

            Most recently, there was DeSantis’s crackdown on Disney’s special tax exemption; using regulatory powers to punish opposing political speech is one of Orbán’s signature moves. On issues ranging from higher education to social media to gerrymandering, DeSantis has followed a trail blazed by Orbán, turning policy into a tool for targeting outgroups while entrenching his party’s hold on power.

            Orbán has recently emerged as an aspirational model for many on the Trump-friendly right. During his presidency, many observers on both sides of the aisle compared Trump to the Hungarian autocrat — and not without some justification. But after a 2018 visit to Hungary, I concluded that Trump was not competent or disciplined enough to implement Orbán-style authoritarianism in America on his own. The real worry, I argued, was a GOP that took on features of Orbán’s Fidesz party.

            DeSantis’s agenda in Florida is evidence that the ********** shift in this direction is continuing, maybe even accelerating. He has shown little interest in moderation or consensus-building instead centering his governing philosophy on using policy to own the libs. While Trump may have been an ideological catalyst for the GOP’s authoritarian lurch, DeSantis is showing how it could actually be implemented in practice. The consequences for democracy in Florida, and America in general, could be dire...

            https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...itarian​

            You’re literally citing an article that is a complete lie in its face and has been disproven time and again! “Don’t say gay bill” doesn’t exist, has never existed and the term never appears in the bill. FFS a Governor said no, you’re not teaching kids about this crazy ****. We wonder why our public education system is in the toilet and has been for decades? Because instead of excelling in Sciences, Mathematics, Chemistry, we are allowing these sickos who wish to teach kids about lifestyles to freaking kindergartners and “Social Sciences” instead of actual education.

            Last time I’ll say it, you’re literally citing Vox! Vox! Ezra Klein! Look the man up and do your damned research. He’s about as leftie as they come.

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            • Originally posted by Boxingfanatic75 View Post

              You’re literally citing an article that is a complete lie in its face and has been disproven time and again! “Don’t say gay bill” doesn’t exist, has never existed and the term never appears in the bill. FFS a Governor said no, you’re not teaching kids about this crazy ****. We wonder why our public education system is in the toilet and has been for decades? Because instead of excelling in Sciences, Mathematics, Chemistry, we are allowing these sickos who wish to teach kids about lifestyles to freaking kindergartners and “Social Sciences” instead of actual education.

              Last time I’ll say it, you’re literally citing Vox! Vox! Ezra Klein! Look the man up and do your damned research. He’s about as leftie as they come.
              This is a disingenuous argument.

              Don't say gay is a shorthand way of summing up a measure in the bill, as you know.

              The actual wording of the bill: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through Grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

              If the aim was to improve what is being taught in the classroom, then that is what the curriculum is for. Instead they passed a law that literally outlaws any mention of sexual orientation. In other words, don't say gay.

              Slice it up whichever way you like, it is inarguably a constraint on free speech. It literally dictates they cannot by law say anything about sexual orientation, even if the kids in the classroom ask about it.

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              • Originally posted by Teetotaler69 View Post
                TheIronMike probably gonna have to change your signature boy
                Why is that?

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                • Originally posted by Monty Fisto View Post

                  This is a disingenuous argument.

                  Don't say gay is a shorthand way of summing up a measure in the bill, as you know.

                  The actual wording of the bill: "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through Grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

                  If the aim was to improve what is being taught in the classroom, then that is what the curriculum is for. Instead they passed a law that literally outlaws any mention of sexual orientation. In other words, don't say gay.

                  Slice it up whichever way you like, it is inarguably a constraint on free speech. It literally dictates they cannot by law say anything about sexual orientation, even if the kids in the classroom ask about it.
                  Good on them! You’d have to be a deranged sicko or a groomer to even think that it’s “ok” to teach kids 3rd grade and below anything involving “sexual orientation.” They aren’t there in school to learn about “sexual orientation.” Anything about sex should be taught in the home period. I mean hey, back in the 70s and 80s we started those alcoholics young by the beer runs to the fridge and the ol sip from Daddy’s can on the way to retrieval then why not teach 5-7 year olds and their undeveloped brains a little about my sexual proclivities!? Which by the way was being taught by mentally deranged teachers seeking attention and acceptance from CHILDREN. Parents grew fed up with it as school has become an indoctrination center. Start em young!

                  Sickening
                  Last edited by Boxingfanatic75; 07-26-2023, 08:45 AM.

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                  • The repeated power jabs to Fulton’s belly set up the knockout. Inoue was watching for when Fulton got into the habit of dropping his left hand to block the jab, and when the opportunity came, he came across with a hard right that put Fulton down. Basic boxing… but the basics were done by a superb talent.
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                    • Originally posted by Boxingfanatic75 View Post

                      You’re going to have to do better than an “opinion piece” a “hit job” from Tayo Berto the “social justice journalist” who ascribed the public backlash on Will Smith as “racism.” That alone, discredits her from anything of value or truth in her ramblings. It also establishes what her political slant is as well as her lens on life. She isn’t a “journalist.” She’s a “Social Justice Warrior” with the “journalist” moniker. It isn’t difficult to root these charlatans out who see everything through a colored lens.

                      You’ll also have to do a wee bit better in citing another author who writes opinion pieces for Ezra Freaking Klein at Vox. I mean, I have been following politics, the movers, the shakers, the people who pull the strings for decades. Ezra Klein is the last person I’d ever venture to say I’m going to get a straight news story from that isn’t 100% opinion based with a center/left, far left bias.

                      Simply put, there is no there there. DeSantis isn’t what you’re ascribing to him. Lefties typically bring out all the bogey men terms come election time to keep their voters in line….fear and ignorance is a powerful tool.
                      Righties use dog whistles and racism to excite their base, fear and ignorance is a powerful tool

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